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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 16:13, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
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Original research proposing the existence of a fictional historical province. Turtlewong ( talk) 03:04, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethiopia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:00, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:31, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:31, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
- Merge per sportingflyer. Thanks, L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 15:21, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Another ill-judged nomination by the same person. Bete Amhara clearly refers to a real region as can be seen in a number of sources - [1] [2] [3] [4]. These sources indicate that it means 'Province of Amhara' or 'domain of Amhara' and that it was a former region of medieval Ethiopia, and recognised populated places are considered notable per WP:GEOLAND. There are however problems with the article and it needs tidying up, but that is a different issue. Hzh ( talk) 01:37, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- I think these sources support a merge either to Wollo Province, Amhara Province or Amhara Region. While I can't see #2 or #3 in full, the only place I see "Bete Amhara" used in the fourth source, and even then it's only in passing. SportingFlyer talk 01:47, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- There was an error in the second one, I've fixed it. I'm not sure why you can't see the third one. The region is also called Beta Amhara or Bet Amhara in a number of sources - [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12]. I gave only a small fraction of the sources I can see, and there are so many sources that if you look into it enough, you will see more in-depth coverage (some of these for example have further description of the place but we can only see small parts of the books). The sources indicate that it was the origin of the Amhara people and centre of the country historically, clearly a place of some significance. Places such as this are presumed to be notable per WP:GEOLAND, and we should not entertain nomination that is completely wrong in the reason given - the nominator appears to randomly nominate articles remotely related to Ethiopia giving spurious reasons that made me suspicious of the motive behind the AfD. Hzh ( talk) 09:12, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- The only question remains is whether
Amhara Province and
Bete Amhara refers to the same thing. That however should be left to people who are more knowledgeable about the history of the country, at most leave a merge proposal tag rather than actual merging.
Hzh (
talk)
10:13, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- From what I've seen from the sources I would support a merge to
Amhara Province, but I'm certainly no subject matter expert. It's definitely not "fictional," though!
SportingFlyer
talk
10:17, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- On casual observation the two terms look to be the same given that some sources translate it as 'Province of Amhara', but personally I'm wary of assuming something to be the same without knowing more, since many places can have different or similar names that refer to somewhat different entities historically or geographically. Hzh ( talk) 12:27, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- From what I've seen from the sources I would support a merge to
Amhara Province, but I'm certainly no subject matter expert. It's definitely not "fictional," though!
SportingFlyer
talk
10:17, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 01:28, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 23:08, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 23:08, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - Found coverage in various places including here, here, and here - Google Books is full of hits that show the notability of this subject. Isingness ( talk) 01:52, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 16:13, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
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Original research proposing the existence of a fictional historical province. Turtlewong ( talk) 03:04, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethiopia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:00, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 00:42, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:31, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:31, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
- Merge per sportingflyer. Thanks, L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 15:21, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Another ill-judged nomination by the same person. Bete Amhara clearly refers to a real region as can be seen in a number of sources - [1] [2] [3] [4]. These sources indicate that it means 'Province of Amhara' or 'domain of Amhara' and that it was a former region of medieval Ethiopia, and recognised populated places are considered notable per WP:GEOLAND. There are however problems with the article and it needs tidying up, but that is a different issue. Hzh ( talk) 01:37, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- I think these sources support a merge either to Wollo Province, Amhara Province or Amhara Region. While I can't see #2 or #3 in full, the only place I see "Bete Amhara" used in the fourth source, and even then it's only in passing. SportingFlyer talk 01:47, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- There was an error in the second one, I've fixed it. I'm not sure why you can't see the third one. The region is also called Beta Amhara or Bet Amhara in a number of sources - [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12]. I gave only a small fraction of the sources I can see, and there are so many sources that if you look into it enough, you will see more in-depth coverage (some of these for example have further description of the place but we can only see small parts of the books). The sources indicate that it was the origin of the Amhara people and centre of the country historically, clearly a place of some significance. Places such as this are presumed to be notable per WP:GEOLAND, and we should not entertain nomination that is completely wrong in the reason given - the nominator appears to randomly nominate articles remotely related to Ethiopia giving spurious reasons that made me suspicious of the motive behind the AfD. Hzh ( talk) 09:12, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- The only question remains is whether
Amhara Province and
Bete Amhara refers to the same thing. That however should be left to people who are more knowledgeable about the history of the country, at most leave a merge proposal tag rather than actual merging.
Hzh (
talk)
10:13, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- From what I've seen from the sources I would support a merge to
Amhara Province, but I'm certainly no subject matter expert. It's definitely not "fictional," though!
SportingFlyer
talk
10:17, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- On casual observation the two terms look to be the same given that some sources translate it as 'Province of Amhara', but personally I'm wary of assuming something to be the same without knowing more, since many places can have different or similar names that refer to somewhat different entities historically or geographically. Hzh ( talk) 12:27, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- From what I've seen from the sources I would support a merge to
Amhara Province, but I'm certainly no subject matter expert. It's definitely not "fictional," though!
SportingFlyer
talk
10:17, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 01:28, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 01:28, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 23:08, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 23:08, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - Found coverage in various places including here, here, and here - Google Books is full of hits that show the notability of this subject. Isingness ( talk) 01:52, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.