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The result was delete. The "keep" !votes boil down to WP:ITSIMPORTANT, without presenting any evidence of that in reliable sources. Randykitty ( talk) 08:12, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Beseh-Rahbari
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Does not meet the criteria of an organization or place. Persia ☘ 08:15, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. ☢️ Radioactive 🎃 ( talk) 08:30, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep This district of Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist representation in the affairs of Hajj and pilgrimage is entirely a known organization, especially by noting that it is related to the highest-ranking position in Iran --i.e. the supreme leader... It has sufficient cover in the media/internet, too. Ali Ahwazi ( talk) 13:15, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Media coverage by media outlets that are affiliated with the government itself.-- Persia ☘ 15:39, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:30, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:30, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Ali Ahwazi what is the difference between Beseh-Rahbari and Hajj and Pilgrimage Organization (Iran)? Are they related? They both are government organizations that manage pilgrimage in Iran, right? VR talk 16:18, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- Beseh-Rahbari is an institution that represents the Supreme Leader in matters of Hajj and Pilgrimage, but "The Hajj and Pilgrimage Organization" is an "independent state agency" affiliated with the Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance responsible for conducting and monitoring pilgrimage trips to Hajj, Umrah and pilgrimage to Iraq and Syria shrines; and they're two difference things. Ali Ahwazi ( talk) 12:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 20:19, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 20:19, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- Keep I'm agree with @ Ali Ahwazi that article is related to the supreme leader of Iran. ZEP55 ( talk) 16:19, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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Comment: This organization is also one of the thousands of government organizations that are created for money laundering and other purposes.--
Persia ☘
07:48, 21 August 2021 (UTC) - Delete. No reliable sources with in-depth discussion have been offered in support of notability. In fact, no sources of any sort have been linked in this discussion. The keep rationales are invalid; being an official organisation/post is not sufficient for notability in Wikipedia terms. Neither is being associated with the supreme leader, that comes under WP:NOTINHERITED. Spinning Spark 11:08, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:SIGCOV. It might be important, either as a government agency or as a criminal enterprise, but there's no evidence for either. If anything, it's just a travel agency for government employees of Iran to Mecca, G-d willing of course. Bearian ( talk) 16:12, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. The "keep" !votes boil down to WP:ITSIMPORTANT, without presenting any evidence of that in reliable sources. Randykitty ( talk) 08:12, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Beseh-Rahbari
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Does not meet the criteria of an organization or place. Persia ☘ 08:15, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. ☢️ Radioactive 🎃 ( talk) 08:30, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. ☢️ Radioactive 🎃 ( talk) 08:30, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:51, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep This district of Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist representation in the affairs of Hajj and pilgrimage is entirely a known organization, especially by noting that it is related to the highest-ranking position in Iran --i.e. the supreme leader... It has sufficient cover in the media/internet, too. Ali Ahwazi ( talk) 13:15, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Media coverage by media outlets that are affiliated with the government itself.-- Persia ☘ 15:39, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:30, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:30, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Ali Ahwazi what is the difference between Beseh-Rahbari and Hajj and Pilgrimage Organization (Iran)? Are they related? They both are government organizations that manage pilgrimage in Iran, right? VR talk 16:18, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- Beseh-Rahbari is an institution that represents the Supreme Leader in matters of Hajj and Pilgrimage, but "The Hajj and Pilgrimage Organization" is an "independent state agency" affiliated with the Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance responsible for conducting and monitoring pilgrimage trips to Hajj, Umrah and pilgrimage to Iraq and Syria shrines; and they're two difference things. Ali Ahwazi ( talk) 12:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 20:19, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 20:19, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- Keep I'm agree with @ Ali Ahwazi that article is related to the supreme leader of Iran. ZEP55 ( talk) 16:19, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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Comment: This organization is also one of the thousands of government organizations that are created for money laundering and other purposes.--
Persia ☘
07:48, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. No reliable sources with in-depth discussion have been offered in support of notability. In fact, no sources of any sort have been linked in this discussion. The keep rationales are invalid; being an official organisation/post is not sufficient for notability in Wikipedia terms. Neither is being associated with the supreme leader, that comes under WP:NOTINHERITED. Spinning Spark 11:08, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:SIGCOV. It might be important, either as a government agency or as a criminal enterprise, but there's no evidence for either. If anything, it's just a travel agency for government employees of Iran to Mecca, G-d willing of course. Bearian ( talk) 16:12, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.