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The result was delete. If anyone feels there is content here worth merging to another article, please log a request at WP:REFUND for it to be restored under a redirect. Stifle ( talk) 11:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Belligerents in the IranāSaudi Arabia proxy conflict
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WP:OR / WP:SYNTH. Combining a group of conflicts with different origins and coalitions into one list as if people take sides in this "proxy conflict" and not e.g. fight against IS terrorism, or make money from delivering arms without care for which side they are supporting. Many of the entries here are unsourced or "allegedly" or "according to a charity" or similar, and don't necessarily give an accurate indication of the positions of the groups in the conflict. And with the complete lack of prose, this page also violates WP:NOT. Fram ( talk) 07:39, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
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- Merge into IranāSaudi Arabia proxy conflict which covers much of the same ground in its large section listing the involved parties. This is clearly a big topic per the navigational template {{ IranāSaudi Arabia proxy conflict}}. As the page in question has hundreds of sources, the most relevant policy is WP:PRESERVE. Andrewš( talk) 08:17, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- CommentI, as the main author to this article, say that we could extensively improve. Why is there need to merge? I mean, the Iraq War has its own belligerency page. Is mine not notable. Because it surely is with 513 sources. Mausebru the Peruvian ( talk, contibs) 01:58, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom.-- Sakiv ( talk) 13:10, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete The author had added a synth of conflicts to the IranāSaudi Arabia proxy conflict template which I removed describing his edits as a synth of unrelated conflicts. The article lists the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh and Tigary as being related, but there is no evidence this is part of the proxy conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 00:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- I found evidence of Nagorno Karabkah being part of the Russia-Turkey conflict (
https://globalriskinsights.com/2020/11/violence-in-nagorno-karabakh-a-new-proxy-war-in-the-south-caucasus/), but this conflict is usually considered to be part of Iran-Saudi's conflcts. As for Tigray, I removed it.
Mausebru the Peruvian (
talk,
contibs) 21:32, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- And yet this has nothing to do with Iran and Saudi Arabia. You said yourself, it is between Russia and Turkey. The article has nothing to do with Iran and Saudi Arabia's own conflict. And considered by whom? This is a
some people say argument. --
WikiCleanerMan (
talk) 21:51, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yes but if you look at the article, there is a source that Saudi Arabia supports Azerbaijan(backs territorial integrity), and Iran allegedly gave weapons to Armenia, along with Russia. So yes it is included
Mausebru the Peruvian (
talk,
contibs) 22:00, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- You are referring to another source, not the article you provided in this Afd in response to my vote. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 22:05, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yes but if you look at the article, there is a source that Saudi Arabia supports Azerbaijan(backs territorial integrity), and Iran allegedly gave weapons to Armenia, along with Russia. So yes it is included
Mausebru the Peruvian (
talk,
contibs) 22:00, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- And yet this has nothing to do with Iran and Saudi Arabia. You said yourself, it is between Russia and Turkey. The article has nothing to do with Iran and Saudi Arabia's own conflict. And considered by whom? This is a
some people say argument. --
WikiCleanerMan (
talk) 21:51, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- I found evidence of Nagorno Karabkah being part of the Russia-Turkey conflict (
https://globalriskinsights.com/2020/11/violence-in-nagorno-karabakh-a-new-proxy-war-in-the-south-caucasus/), but this conflict is usually considered to be part of Iran-Saudi's conflcts. As for Tigray, I removed it.
Mausebru the Peruvian (
talk,
contibs) 21:32, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete these proxy-conflict articles are magnets for WP:SYNTH. Many of the sources are two or three degrees removed from any mention of a proxy conflict. This should be deleted with prejudice. User:å (power~enwiki, Ļ, Ī½) 18:48, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, but remove synth just remove the synth why delete the article 168.228.234.18 ( talk) 01:40, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. If anyone feels there is content here worth merging to another article, please log a request at WP:REFUND for it to be restored under a redirect. Stifle ( talk) 11:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Belligerents in the IranāSaudi Arabia proxy conflict
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WP:OR / WP:SYNTH. Combining a group of conflicts with different origins and coalitions into one list as if people take sides in this "proxy conflict" and not e.g. fight against IS terrorism, or make money from delivering arms without care for which side they are supporting. Many of the entries here are unsourced or "allegedly" or "according to a charity" or similar, and don't necessarily give an accurate indication of the positions of the groups in the conflict. And with the complete lack of prose, this page also violates WP:NOT. Fram ( talk) 07:39, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Fram ( talk) 07:39, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions. Fram ( talk) 07:39, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Fram ( talk) 07:39, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Firearms-related deletion discussions. Fram ( talk) 07:39, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Middle East-related deletion discussions. Fram ( talk) 07:39, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- Merge into IranāSaudi Arabia proxy conflict which covers much of the same ground in its large section listing the involved parties. This is clearly a big topic per the navigational template {{ IranāSaudi Arabia proxy conflict}}. As the page in question has hundreds of sources, the most relevant policy is WP:PRESERVE. Andrewš( talk) 08:17, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- CommentI, as the main author to this article, say that we could extensively improve. Why is there need to merge? I mean, the Iraq War has its own belligerency page. Is mine not notable. Because it surely is with 513 sources. Mausebru the Peruvian ( talk, contibs) 01:58, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom.-- Sakiv ( talk) 13:10, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete The author had added a synth of conflicts to the IranāSaudi Arabia proxy conflict template which I removed describing his edits as a synth of unrelated conflicts. The article lists the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh and Tigary as being related, but there is no evidence this is part of the proxy conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 00:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- I found evidence of Nagorno Karabkah being part of the Russia-Turkey conflict (
https://globalriskinsights.com/2020/11/violence-in-nagorno-karabakh-a-new-proxy-war-in-the-south-caucasus/), but this conflict is usually considered to be part of Iran-Saudi's conflcts. As for Tigray, I removed it.
Mausebru the Peruvian (
talk,
contibs) 21:32, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- And yet this has nothing to do with Iran and Saudi Arabia. You said yourself, it is between Russia and Turkey. The article has nothing to do with Iran and Saudi Arabia's own conflict. And considered by whom? This is a
some people say argument. --
WikiCleanerMan (
talk) 21:51, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yes but if you look at the article, there is a source that Saudi Arabia supports Azerbaijan(backs territorial integrity), and Iran allegedly gave weapons to Armenia, along with Russia. So yes it is included
Mausebru the Peruvian (
talk,
contibs) 22:00, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- You are referring to another source, not the article you provided in this Afd in response to my vote. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 22:05, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yes but if you look at the article, there is a source that Saudi Arabia supports Azerbaijan(backs territorial integrity), and Iran allegedly gave weapons to Armenia, along with Russia. So yes it is included
Mausebru the Peruvian (
talk,
contibs) 22:00, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- And yet this has nothing to do with Iran and Saudi Arabia. You said yourself, it is between Russia and Turkey. The article has nothing to do with Iran and Saudi Arabia's own conflict. And considered by whom? This is a
some people say argument. --
WikiCleanerMan (
talk) 21:51, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- I found evidence of Nagorno Karabkah being part of the Russia-Turkey conflict (
https://globalriskinsights.com/2020/11/violence-in-nagorno-karabakh-a-new-proxy-war-in-the-south-caucasus/), but this conflict is usually considered to be part of Iran-Saudi's conflcts. As for Tigray, I removed it.
Mausebru the Peruvian (
talk,
contibs) 21:32, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete these proxy-conflict articles are magnets for WP:SYNTH. Many of the sources are two or three degrees removed from any mention of a proxy conflict. This should be deleted with prejudice. User:å (power~enwiki, Ļ, Ī½) 18:48, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, but remove synth just remove the synth why delete the article 168.228.234.18 ( talk) 01:40, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.