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The result was no consensus. ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 01:10, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Ball Hockey World Championship
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There's no indication that this tournament is notable. Yes, it's an international event but ball hockey is a recreational sport. There's no elite level. It does not pass WP:EVENT or WP:GNG. Tchaliburton ( talk) 21:33, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
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eef 03:54, 22 December 2014 (UTC)- Keep - It's the World Championship of an internationally sanctioned sport. ALL sports are recreational. There are plenty of sources, too, about this specific tournament to meet WP:N: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. It literally took about 20 seconds to load google to see that this is notable. An article needing work is not the same as an article not being notable. -- 162.95.216.224 ( talk) 18:11, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Delete. Fails WP:GNG. More specifically, searching for sources reveals no depth of coverage. [6] is routine coverage. [7] is not about the event, but merely mentions it once. [8] is about a team expected to compete, but not about the event itself, and actually says "Oh wow, there’s a ball hockey world championships – who knew?". [9] is the closest to being an appropriate citation, but half the article is about a player who competed in the event. [10] is more routine coverage, that is primarily about the Canadian teams and not the event itself. Becky Sayles ( talk) 17:58, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
- You realize those were just the first random links I found while searching google. Everything is going to be coverage specific to the event...because it is an event. Here are more. These are all reliable, secondary sources.
[11]
[12]
[13]
[14] [1670365-boufounos-milonow-on-the-experience-of-playing-at-the-ball-hockey-womens-worlds] — Preceding
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- [15] and [16] and [17] are about hockey players going to compete in the event, not the event itself. [18] is about a player at the event apologizing for his conduct. None of these has any depth of coverage. B E C K Y S A Y L E S 03:26, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
- Keep: I dunno -- the coverage looks enough to me. Those are full-scale articles, in reliable sources, discussing this tournament in detail. That's a GNG pass, and trying to argue that the coverage has no "depth" is crocked. The GNG doesn't require 20-page essays. It also looks at the breadth of coverage--- if you've got a flipping lot of sources, that's an indicator in of itself. I don't agree with anon SPAs much, but I got to admit he's got a point that the GNG doesn't care whether there's an "elite" level or whether a sport's played recreationally or not. Nha Trang Allons! 21:29, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
- The length of the articles isn't at issue. After reviewing all the references in the article and raised in this discussion, it seems clear that they do not actually cover the subject of the article, but rather subjects related to the article. These appears to be an attempt at inheritance of notability. B E C K Y S A Y L E S 05:55, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep. When you can find an assortment of news articles about different iterations of this tournament, it's reasonable to reach the conclusion that the tournament itself is worth covering on Wikipedia. The Toronto Sun article cited above begins by informing the reader that this tournament draws more fans than the world ice hockey championship. [19] In addition to the sources noted above there's also this, which is in substantial part about the 2013 tournament. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 03:24, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. ( non-admin closure) Natg 19 ( talk) 01:10, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Ball Hockey World Championship
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There's no indication that this tournament is notable. Yes, it's an international event but ball hockey is a recreational sport. There's no elite level. It does not pass WP:EVENT or WP:GNG. Tchaliburton ( talk) 21:33, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
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eef 03:54, 22 December 2014 (UTC)- Keep - It's the World Championship of an internationally sanctioned sport. ALL sports are recreational. There are plenty of sources, too, about this specific tournament to meet WP:N: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. It literally took about 20 seconds to load google to see that this is notable. An article needing work is not the same as an article not being notable. -- 162.95.216.224 ( talk) 18:11, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
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- Delete. Fails WP:GNG. More specifically, searching for sources reveals no depth of coverage. [6] is routine coverage. [7] is not about the event, but merely mentions it once. [8] is about a team expected to compete, but not about the event itself, and actually says "Oh wow, there’s a ball hockey world championships – who knew?". [9] is the closest to being an appropriate citation, but half the article is about a player who competed in the event. [10] is more routine coverage, that is primarily about the Canadian teams and not the event itself. Becky Sayles ( talk) 17:58, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
- You realize those were just the first random links I found while searching google. Everything is going to be coverage specific to the event...because it is an event. Here are more. These are all reliable, secondary sources.
[11]
[12]
[13]
[14] [1670365-boufounos-milonow-on-the-experience-of-playing-at-the-ball-hockey-womens-worlds] — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
162.95.216.224 (
talk) 19:01, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
- [15] and [16] and [17] are about hockey players going to compete in the event, not the event itself. [18] is about a player at the event apologizing for his conduct. None of these has any depth of coverage. B E C K Y S A Y L E S 03:26, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
- Keep: I dunno -- the coverage looks enough to me. Those are full-scale articles, in reliable sources, discussing this tournament in detail. That's a GNG pass, and trying to argue that the coverage has no "depth" is crocked. The GNG doesn't require 20-page essays. It also looks at the breadth of coverage--- if you've got a flipping lot of sources, that's an indicator in of itself. I don't agree with anon SPAs much, but I got to admit he's got a point that the GNG doesn't care whether there's an "elite" level or whether a sport's played recreationally or not. Nha Trang Allons! 21:29, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
- The length of the articles isn't at issue. After reviewing all the references in the article and raised in this discussion, it seems clear that they do not actually cover the subject of the article, but rather subjects related to the article. These appears to be an attempt at inheritance of notability. B E C K Y S A Y L E S 05:55, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep. When you can find an assortment of news articles about different iterations of this tournament, it's reasonable to reach the conclusion that the tournament itself is worth covering on Wikipedia. The Toronto Sun article cited above begins by informing the reader that this tournament draws more fans than the world ice hockey championship. [19] In addition to the sources noted above there's also this, which is in substantial part about the 2013 tournament. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 03:24, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
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