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The result was delete. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 11:17, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Bakersfield City Attorney
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The office of city attorney is not an inherently notable position and there are no independent sources to show notability. Hirolovesswords ( talk) 19:09, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - along with City Manager and City Clerk, a City Attorney is on the same level as for instance a Police or Fire Chief, either of which, I would say would qualify a person as notable enough for Wikipedia for a city this sized. If a single person qualifies as notable due to their office, then an article about the office (consisting of the set of all persons holding that office) should undoubtedly qualify. Greg Bard ( talk) 19:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. There has not been any consensus yet to delete articles about city attorneys of very large cities (see, e.g., Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Los Angeles City Attorney Election, 2009 and Los Angeles City Attorney), but it depends in part on the actual job duties. For other cities' attorneys and equivalent officials, the consensus is to delete; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark A. Meyer (Attorney) (assistant corporation counsel), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dennis W. Chiu (planning commissioner), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of American public officials convicted of crimes (2nd nomination), and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nassau County Comptroller's Office. I don't think that officials with this title make them notable attorneys (see User:Bearian/Standards#Non-notability), so logically the office is not notable. Rarely we have kept Sheriff's offices that patrol large areas (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Genesee County, New York Sheriff's Office) or can't decide about other municipal agencies (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegheny County Medical Examiner and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnstown Redevelopment Authority). So the outcomes and precedents are not favorable; the burden of proof thus shifts to the creator to prove this is notable, and I don't see it yet. Bearian ( talk) 19:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Delete If a city larger then Bakersfield(Omaha,NE) does not have a page on this, then it is idiotic to state that the Bakersfield City Attorney is a notable position. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Russianarmy13 ( talk • contribs) 01:29, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Merge to Bakersfield, California#Government and politics. Not sufficiently notable for its own article (unless it has substantial coverage in non-local press) - but can be included in a wider discussion of Bakersfield government. -- Colapeninsula ( talk) 09:42, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Delete, no redirect There is no need for a redirect as the city is a more likely search term. Also, notability is not inherited, a position or job does not receive notability from the people who hold it. -- Bejnar ( talk) 00:45, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty ( talk) 17:01, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
- Delete The office of city attorney is not in itself notable, and there is no independent coverage to suggest that this particular office is notable. -- MelanieN ( talk) 19:30, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - While City Attorney is a notable topic, the specific post of city attorney of a mid-sized California town is not. Fails GNG. Carrite ( talk) 03:28, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Delete As per Carrite.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 13:43, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 11:17, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Bakersfield City Attorney
- Bakersfield City Attorney ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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The office of city attorney is not an inherently notable position and there are no independent sources to show notability. Hirolovesswords ( talk) 19:09, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - along with City Manager and City Clerk, a City Attorney is on the same level as for instance a Police or Fire Chief, either of which, I would say would qualify a person as notable enough for Wikipedia for a city this sized. If a single person qualifies as notable due to their office, then an article about the office (consisting of the set of all persons holding that office) should undoubtedly qualify. Greg Bard ( talk) 19:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. There has not been any consensus yet to delete articles about city attorneys of very large cities (see, e.g., Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Los Angeles City Attorney Election, 2009 and Los Angeles City Attorney), but it depends in part on the actual job duties. For other cities' attorneys and equivalent officials, the consensus is to delete; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark A. Meyer (Attorney) (assistant corporation counsel), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dennis W. Chiu (planning commissioner), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of American public officials convicted of crimes (2nd nomination), and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nassau County Comptroller's Office. I don't think that officials with this title make them notable attorneys (see User:Bearian/Standards#Non-notability), so logically the office is not notable. Rarely we have kept Sheriff's offices that patrol large areas (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Genesee County, New York Sheriff's Office) or can't decide about other municipal agencies (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegheny County Medical Examiner and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnstown Redevelopment Authority). So the outcomes and precedents are not favorable; the burden of proof thus shifts to the creator to prove this is notable, and I don't see it yet. Bearian ( talk) 19:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Delete If a city larger then Bakersfield(Omaha,NE) does not have a page on this, then it is idiotic to state that the Bakersfield City Attorney is a notable position. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Russianarmy13 ( talk • contribs) 01:29, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Merge to Bakersfield, California#Government and politics. Not sufficiently notable for its own article (unless it has substantial coverage in non-local press) - but can be included in a wider discussion of Bakersfield government. -- Colapeninsula ( talk) 09:42, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
- Delete, no redirect There is no need for a redirect as the city is a more likely search term. Also, notability is not inherited, a position or job does not receive notability from the people who hold it. -- Bejnar ( talk) 00:45, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty ( talk) 17:01, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
- Delete The office of city attorney is not in itself notable, and there is no independent coverage to suggest that this particular office is notable. -- MelanieN ( talk) 19:30, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - While City Attorney is a notable topic, the specific post of city attorney of a mid-sized California town is not. Fails GNG. Carrite ( talk) 03:28, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
- Delete As per Carrite.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 13:43, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.