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The result was merge to Gambling in Nigeria#Online Gambling Companies. Owen× ☎ 12:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Not notable betting company; no reliable sources to meet NCORP BoraVoro ( talk) 11:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Games, Companies, and Nigeria. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:40, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to
Gambling in Nigeria#Online Gambling Companies:
[1],
[2],
[3], and
[4] from the article is enough to establish notability. Per se, the article meets
WP:ORGCRIT and
WP:SIGCOV. Maybe clean up is the problem.
this and
this shows mentions in books and newspapers.
Safari Scribe
Edits!
Talk!
23:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment None of the references you've linked to provide in-depth "Independent Content" about the *company*, the topic of this article, none therefore meet the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing ++ 16:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Sources look fairly dubious.
1 is a how-to guide with pros/cons of playing,
2 is highly promotional ("popularity spreading like wildfire"),
3 is a hagiographic (see "Not only is Sir Kensington a successful business mogul, he also continues to contribute his quota to humanity") profile of the owner,
4 is a brief statement that the company has signed an athlete to an endorsement deal. Passing mentions found on Google above do not contribute to notability.
Heavy Grasshopper (
talk)
12:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sources are allowed to be as promotional (or anti-promotional) as they want per
WP:RSBIAS. What matters is whether there's information in those sources that we can use. What counts as "normal" tone for a news article depends on your culture, and we don't want to be
tone policing the sources. When you read through a "highly promotional" source, you just have to ignore the fluff and focus on the facts. For example, in the first couple of paragraphs, this one says that the subject is named after the founder, says where the founder is from, and says it is computer-based. Those are all encyclopedic facts.
WhatamIdoing (
talk)
18:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your helpful response. Though I have some awareness of RSBIAS, it was good to have the opportunity to read it again and ensure I consider that fully when opining at AFD. I could have phrased my initial comment more effectively. i did feel the sources may scrape past the GNG threshold, which is why I didn't vote delete. Heavy Grasshopper ( talk) 08:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sources are allowed to be as promotional (or anti-promotional) as they want per
WP:RSBIAS. What matters is whether there's information in those sources that we can use. What counts as "normal" tone for a news article depends on your culture, and we don't want to be
tone policing the sources. When you read through a "highly promotional" source, you just have to ignore the fluff and focus on the facts. For example, in the first couple of paragraphs, this one says that the subject is named after the founder, says where the founder is from, and says it is computer-based. Those are all encyclopedic facts.
WhatamIdoing (
talk)
18:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Also, be aware there are differences between the types of sources that we require in order to establish notability of the topic company/organization versus the types of sources that may be used to support the content within the article. For the latter, just about any reliable source may be used, hence why RSBAIS is a thing. The sources you've linked to (legit.ng, allafrica.com, etc) may all be used to support facts and other content, but they all fail GNG/ WP:NCORP criteria for establishing notability.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This is a company therefore GNG/ WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. I'm unable to identify any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing ++ 16:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge portions to
Gambling in Nigeria and expand from there. I don't think a standalone article is tenable if it's based on sources containing passages like
It is true what they say: you can’t win without trying. Why not to try it out today? Now that you know all there is to know about betting, it should be easier for you to play and even win.
andDream numbers: have you heard some people say they've seen lotto numbers while sleeping? It happens after they play the numbers - they say they've seen it in a dream. Note: sometimes your dream can fail if you are not sure that your dreams work.
However, after trawling through hundreds of results on PQ, I believe there is enough basic info there that a merge would be feasible. I found some additional background content in this journal article on gambling in Nigeria (citation below), though of course only the secondary (non-research/results) material in the intro section should be incorporated anywhere. There's also this article in India's Premium Times regarding tax fraud allegations, and a lengthy profile on Adebutu in sometimes-reliable? newspaper Vanguard. Other mild coverage is here. I don't think any of this is enough for SIRS, though. Salaam, A. O. (2014/02//). Gambling for sustainability: “Area boys” and gambling behaviour in lagos, nigeria. International Journal of Mental Health and Addiction, 12(1), 80-93. doi: https://doi.org/10.1007/s11469-013-9472-z EXCLUSIVE: EFCC goes after 'baba ijebu' over alleged multi-billion naira tax fraud. (2020/01/28/, 2020 Jan 28). Premium Times Retrieved from https://www.proquest.com/newspapers/exclusive-efcc-goes-after-baba-ijebu-over-alleged/docview/2346453561/se-2Low activities in lottery market. (2017/04/29/, 2017 Apr 29). This Day Retrieved from https://www.proquest.com/newspapers/low-activities-lottery-market/docview/1892944612/se-2 JoelleJay ( talk) 04:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)- @ JoelleJay, thank you for the sources. I support the merging too. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 01:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was merge to Gambling in Nigeria#Online Gambling Companies. Owen× ☎ 12:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Not notable betting company; no reliable sources to meet NCORP BoraVoro ( talk) 11:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Games, Companies, and Nigeria. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:40, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to
Gambling in Nigeria#Online Gambling Companies:
[1],
[2],
[3], and
[4] from the article is enough to establish notability. Per se, the article meets
WP:ORGCRIT and
WP:SIGCOV. Maybe clean up is the problem.
this and
this shows mentions in books and newspapers.
Safari Scribe
Edits!
Talk!
23:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment None of the references you've linked to provide in-depth "Independent Content" about the *company*, the topic of this article, none therefore meet the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing ++ 16:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Sources look fairly dubious.
1 is a how-to guide with pros/cons of playing,
2 is highly promotional ("popularity spreading like wildfire"),
3 is a hagiographic (see "Not only is Sir Kensington a successful business mogul, he also continues to contribute his quota to humanity") profile of the owner,
4 is a brief statement that the company has signed an athlete to an endorsement deal. Passing mentions found on Google above do not contribute to notability.
Heavy Grasshopper (
talk)
12:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sources are allowed to be as promotional (or anti-promotional) as they want per
WP:RSBIAS. What matters is whether there's information in those sources that we can use. What counts as "normal" tone for a news article depends on your culture, and we don't want to be
tone policing the sources. When you read through a "highly promotional" source, you just have to ignore the fluff and focus on the facts. For example, in the first couple of paragraphs, this one says that the subject is named after the founder, says where the founder is from, and says it is computer-based. Those are all encyclopedic facts.
WhatamIdoing (
talk)
18:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your helpful response. Though I have some awareness of RSBIAS, it was good to have the opportunity to read it again and ensure I consider that fully when opining at AFD. I could have phrased my initial comment more effectively. i did feel the sources may scrape past the GNG threshold, which is why I didn't vote delete. Heavy Grasshopper ( talk) 08:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sources are allowed to be as promotional (or anti-promotional) as they want per
WP:RSBIAS. What matters is whether there's information in those sources that we can use. What counts as "normal" tone for a news article depends on your culture, and we don't want to be
tone policing the sources. When you read through a "highly promotional" source, you just have to ignore the fluff and focus on the facts. For example, in the first couple of paragraphs, this one says that the subject is named after the founder, says where the founder is from, and says it is computer-based. Those are all encyclopedic facts.
WhatamIdoing (
talk)
18:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Also, be aware there are differences between the types of sources that we require in order to establish notability of the topic company/organization versus the types of sources that may be used to support the content within the article. For the latter, just about any reliable source may be used, hence why RSBAIS is a thing. The sources you've linked to (legit.ng, allafrica.com, etc) may all be used to support facts and other content, but they all fail GNG/ WP:NCORP criteria for establishing notability.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This is a company therefore GNG/ WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. I'm unable to identify any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing ++ 16:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge portions to
Gambling in Nigeria and expand from there. I don't think a standalone article is tenable if it's based on sources containing passages like
It is true what they say: you can’t win without trying. Why not to try it out today? Now that you know all there is to know about betting, it should be easier for you to play and even win.
andDream numbers: have you heard some people say they've seen lotto numbers while sleeping? It happens after they play the numbers - they say they've seen it in a dream. Note: sometimes your dream can fail if you are not sure that your dreams work.
However, after trawling through hundreds of results on PQ, I believe there is enough basic info there that a merge would be feasible. I found some additional background content in this journal article on gambling in Nigeria (citation below), though of course only the secondary (non-research/results) material in the intro section should be incorporated anywhere. There's also this article in India's Premium Times regarding tax fraud allegations, and a lengthy profile on Adebutu in sometimes-reliable? newspaper Vanguard. Other mild coverage is here. I don't think any of this is enough for SIRS, though. Salaam, A. O. (2014/02//). Gambling for sustainability: “Area boys” and gambling behaviour in lagos, nigeria. International Journal of Mental Health and Addiction, 12(1), 80-93. doi: https://doi.org/10.1007/s11469-013-9472-z EXCLUSIVE: EFCC goes after 'baba ijebu' over alleged multi-billion naira tax fraud. (2020/01/28/, 2020 Jan 28). Premium Times Retrieved from https://www.proquest.com/newspapers/exclusive-efcc-goes-after-baba-ijebu-over-alleged/docview/2346453561/se-2Low activities in lottery market. (2017/04/29/, 2017 Apr 29). This Day Retrieved from https://www.proquest.com/newspapers/low-activities-lottery-market/docview/1892944612/se-2 JoelleJay ( talk) 04:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)- @ JoelleJay, thank you for the sources. I support the merging too. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 01:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.