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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 11:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
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End run around the WP:AfC for Draft:Avatar Medicine. It is not clear to me that this is even a real subject that is properly defined in the literature. jps ( talk) 11:52, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The lede is clearly an advertisement. The article body entirely fails to demonstrate that 'avatar medicine' is anything more than a neologism - a new phrase for existing methodology (the lede more or less asserts this anyway: "There has been a long history of using avatar medicine to help diseases such as diabetes, Parkinson's disease, and cancer"). A fancy phrase or two doesn't justify another article on subjects already covered elsewhere without the puffery. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 13:17, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Draftify. Even assuming, generously, that this is a notable subject, the article is in no shape for mainspace. It's suffering, among other issues, from a lack of citations that actually mention the topic itself. In general, I favor a strong presumption toward deletion for articles that have been repeatedly declined at AfD and then moved to mainspace without substantively addressing the review comments. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 13:22, 12 September 2022 (UTC)- I'm now at delete. The creator called for deletion of the draft, and I think the best path forward to an article on avatar models wouldn't take place in draft space, per my reply to Bondegezou below. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 05:08, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep under a new name, if that's allowed as an option! I recognise that this article is talking about a real topic, but it's not well written. Some of this relates to
personalised medicine. Most of it would be better under a name like
avatar models. Do a Google Scholar search on "avatar models" and you can see enough for an article, I believe. But "avatar medicine" does not appear to be a sufficiently established name.
Bondegezou (
talk)
13:48, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- Bondegezou, if we were to write an appropriate article on avatar models, would using this article as a starting point be helpful? I could see expansion in Personalised medicine leading to a split, or expansion of Avatar mice leading to a move to something like Avatar animal. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 13:54, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- I think there is some useful text here. I think some of the other comments in this AfD are overly negative and we should recall both WP:AGF and WP:BITE! Expanding avatar mice to avatar model or avatar animal could be a way to go, yes. Bondegezou ( talk) 10:45, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The phrase "avatar medicine" does not appear in PubMed. It does not appear in Google Scholar except in one instance where it coincidentally shows up as a variable name. Jaredroach ( talk) 17:32, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - End runs around AFC are permitted, but are subject to AFD, and here we are. ( End runs are also permitted in American football, but at risk of tackle for loss.) Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:51, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as per previous editors who have found that the topic is not clearly defined. This article reads like an advertisement for something. It isn't for a company or a quack. Pseudoscience is characterized by promotional claims, so this reads like pseudoscientific medicine. Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:51, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - There is already a draft. The draft should be allowed to remain, because drafts are not required to pass notability, but may not become an article. Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:51, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete essay material, not a valid (notable) topic for the encyclopedia. Draken Bowser ( talk) 08:26, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- delete per above editor-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 21:37, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. ✗ plicit 11:56, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Avatar Medicine ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
End run around the WP:AfC for Draft:Avatar Medicine. It is not clear to me that this is even a real subject that is properly defined in the literature. jps ( talk) 11:52, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The lede is clearly an advertisement. The article body entirely fails to demonstrate that 'avatar medicine' is anything more than a neologism - a new phrase for existing methodology (the lede more or less asserts this anyway: "There has been a long history of using avatar medicine to help diseases such as diabetes, Parkinson's disease, and cancer"). A fancy phrase or two doesn't justify another article on subjects already covered elsewhere without the puffery. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 13:17, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Draftify. Even assuming, generously, that this is a notable subject, the article is in no shape for mainspace. It's suffering, among other issues, from a lack of citations that actually mention the topic itself. In general, I favor a strong presumption toward deletion for articles that have been repeatedly declined at AfD and then moved to mainspace without substantively addressing the review comments. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 13:22, 12 September 2022 (UTC)- I'm now at delete. The creator called for deletion of the draft, and I think the best path forward to an article on avatar models wouldn't take place in draft space, per my reply to Bondegezou below. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 05:08, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep under a new name, if that's allowed as an option! I recognise that this article is talking about a real topic, but it's not well written. Some of this relates to
personalised medicine. Most of it would be better under a name like
avatar models. Do a Google Scholar search on "avatar models" and you can see enough for an article, I believe. But "avatar medicine" does not appear to be a sufficiently established name.
Bondegezou (
talk)
13:48, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- Bondegezou, if we were to write an appropriate article on avatar models, would using this article as a starting point be helpful? I could see expansion in Personalised medicine leading to a split, or expansion of Avatar mice leading to a move to something like Avatar animal. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 13:54, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- I think there is some useful text here. I think some of the other comments in this AfD are overly negative and we should recall both WP:AGF and WP:BITE! Expanding avatar mice to avatar model or avatar animal could be a way to go, yes. Bondegezou ( talk) 10:45, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The phrase "avatar medicine" does not appear in PubMed. It does not appear in Google Scholar except in one instance where it coincidentally shows up as a variable name. Jaredroach ( talk) 17:32, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - End runs around AFC are permitted, but are subject to AFD, and here we are. ( End runs are also permitted in American football, but at risk of tackle for loss.) Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:51, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as per previous editors who have found that the topic is not clearly defined. This article reads like an advertisement for something. It isn't for a company or a quack. Pseudoscience is characterized by promotional claims, so this reads like pseudoscientific medicine. Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:51, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - There is already a draft. The draft should be allowed to remain, because drafts are not required to pass notability, but may not become an article. Robert McClenon ( talk) 00:51, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete essay material, not a valid (notable) topic for the encyclopedia. Draken Bowser ( talk) 08:26, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- delete per above editor-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 21:37, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.