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The result was keep. The possibility of moving the article to a different title is left to regular move processes. RL0919 ( talk) 01:57, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
Autonomous university
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Short unreferenced personal essay Rathfelder ( talk) 07:55, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 07:59, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ceethekreator ( talk) 23:31, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Education in Singapore#Universities per WP:CHEAP. Bearian ( talk) 13:48, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:57, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep This is a disruptive nomination. The fact that an article is short is not a reason to delete it – see WP:IMPERFECT. The claim that this is a personal essay is blatantly false – there are no personal observations or opinions. And the lack of references is not a reason to delete – see WP:NEXIST. Per WP:BEFORE, the nominator is expected to look for sources in such a case and they certainly exist – see University Autonomy and the Governance System, for example. The appropriate admin action here is to warn the nominator against making further frivolous nominations without due diligence. Andrew D. ( talk) 23:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- The only reference provided does not support the content of the article. Rathfelder ( talk) 09:06, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- Clue is in what links here This word occurs in the lead definition of many Singpore unis- so in that sense is needed. The same end could be achieved with a footnote on each page -- ClemRutter ( talk) 10:31, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Education in Singapore#Universities. The article is an unexpandable substub, mostly unsourced, and the one source it does have technically doesn't verify the sentence it's attached to. Reyk YO! 14:33, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep – Have added sources. Singapore may have 6 universities with autonomy but is by no means the only one. It is not at all obvious what "autonomous university" means exactly (though one may guess). There are around 80 universities in Spanish speaking countries with this in their name (see es:Universidad Autónoma) and if I'm a student of the Autonomous University of Barcelona and I wonder what that is supposed to mean, I most certainly would be WP:ASTONISHED to be sent to an article about Singapore. Possibly also convert into a set-index article like the Spanish article. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:30, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- That is an improvement. There may well be room for a decent article on what exactly autonomy means in the university sector, but I think this is still some way from it. The fact that some universities have the word in their title is clearly not enough. Maybe we should look for assistance to Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities? Rathfelder ( talk) 19:49, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep However, the significance of the concept is far more important in Spanish-speaking Americas, see es:Autonomía_universitaria. Singapore reflects more a technical-legal difference in status, rather than qualitative difference (ie all universities in Singapore still operate under various degrees of state control due to the nature of Singapore).-- Goldsztajn ( talk) 16:29, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- 'Comment apologies to
Þjarkur, I realise that editor says much the same as I just did, without me acknowledging their earlier comment.--
Goldsztajn (
talk)
16:33, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- Might be better to move this article to the more general title university autonomy. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:49, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- 'Comment apologies to
Þjarkur, I realise that editor says much the same as I just did, without me acknowledging their earlier comment.--
Goldsztajn (
talk)
16:33, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. The possibility of moving the article to a different title is left to regular move processes. RL0919 ( talk) 01:57, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
Autonomous university
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Short unreferenced personal essay Rathfelder ( talk) 07:55, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 07:59, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp ( talk) 09:12, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ceethekreator ( talk) 23:31, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ceethekreator ( talk) 23:31, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Education in Singapore#Universities per WP:CHEAP. Bearian ( talk) 13:48, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:57, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:57, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep This is a disruptive nomination. The fact that an article is short is not a reason to delete it – see WP:IMPERFECT. The claim that this is a personal essay is blatantly false – there are no personal observations or opinions. And the lack of references is not a reason to delete – see WP:NEXIST. Per WP:BEFORE, the nominator is expected to look for sources in such a case and they certainly exist – see University Autonomy and the Governance System, for example. The appropriate admin action here is to warn the nominator against making further frivolous nominations without due diligence. Andrew D. ( talk) 23:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- The only reference provided does not support the content of the article. Rathfelder ( talk) 09:06, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- Clue is in what links here This word occurs in the lead definition of many Singpore unis- so in that sense is needed. The same end could be achieved with a footnote on each page -- ClemRutter ( talk) 10:31, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- Redirect to Education in Singapore#Universities. The article is an unexpandable substub, mostly unsourced, and the one source it does have technically doesn't verify the sentence it's attached to. Reyk YO! 14:33, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep – Have added sources. Singapore may have 6 universities with autonomy but is by no means the only one. It is not at all obvious what "autonomous university" means exactly (though one may guess). There are around 80 universities in Spanish speaking countries with this in their name (see es:Universidad Autónoma) and if I'm a student of the Autonomous University of Barcelona and I wonder what that is supposed to mean, I most certainly would be WP:ASTONISHED to be sent to an article about Singapore. Possibly also convert into a set-index article like the Spanish article. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:30, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- That is an improvement. There may well be room for a decent article on what exactly autonomy means in the university sector, but I think this is still some way from it. The fact that some universities have the word in their title is clearly not enough. Maybe we should look for assistance to Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities? Rathfelder ( talk) 19:49, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- Keep However, the significance of the concept is far more important in Spanish-speaking Americas, see es:Autonomía_universitaria. Singapore reflects more a technical-legal difference in status, rather than qualitative difference (ie all universities in Singapore still operate under various degrees of state control due to the nature of Singapore).-- Goldsztajn ( talk) 16:29, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- 'Comment apologies to
Þjarkur, I realise that editor says much the same as I just did, without me acknowledging their earlier comment.--
Goldsztajn (
talk)
16:33, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- Might be better to move this article to the more general title university autonomy. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:49, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- 'Comment apologies to
Þjarkur, I realise that editor says much the same as I just did, without me acknowledging their earlier comment.--
Goldsztajn (
talk)
16:33, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.