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The result was nomination withdrawn. Reversion to a pre-COI editor's work and updating has mitigated the issues and identified coverage that meets NCORP. (non-admin closure) Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Association of Certified Anti-Money Laundering Specialists
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I cannot find substantial coverage of this organization on its own (though it gets plenty of mentions because it offers a certification). Previous AfDs ended no consensus in 2006 (evenly split keep/delete) and delete in 2008; it was remade in 2009. This page is a PROMO disaster. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:25, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Finance-related deletion discussions. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:25, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep: Pretty notable organization, especially in Anti-Money Laundry and Anti-Terrorist Financing profession. Its certification CFE is the most recognized in the industry. However, I do agree in its current state it doesn't fit with Wikipedia guidelines. So if someone can rewrite this and get rid of the promo content then it's strong keep. Kazuha1029 ( talk) 06:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: As Kazuha says, it is pretty notable, even if it does not get much mainstream attention. However, coverage of some of its activities can be found, and I believe they are sufficient to meet
WP:NCORP. For instance,
WWF Collaberation,
anti slavery activities,
acquisition by Becker. Worth noting the coverage of the first two is quite extensive, and either one of them would likely be enough to classify ACAMS as notable.
BilledMammal (
talk)
09:04, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- @ BilledMammal, go ahead and add some of that to the page—it's ready to take more sourced content now (I reverted to the pre-2015 revision with some updated material) and I'm probably about to withdraw the nomination. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:53, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. It is notable. I started it in 2009 with
this version. That got puffed up a bit to
this version (e.g. "for-profit" removed from lead description, plug for founders added), then with
these changes made in 2015 by
Kourtneymccarty all the sourced content was scrapped and replaced by material from the website. Probably best to go back to the 2009 version, then maybe update it. But it may be hard to stop it deteriorating again.
Aymatth2 (
talk)
12:08, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Aha, Kourtney McCarty appears to have been ACAMS's Director of Marketing (
[1]). Also wow she wiped out a much stronger article with promotional material. I'm probably about to withdraw the nomination and restore the January 2015 sourced revision.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c)
16:43, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- I would go back further - the January 2015 has some puffy stuff that is not supported by the sources. e.g.
these changes in 2013. Maybe the article should be protected from IPs and brand-new single-purpose editors.
Aymatth2 (
talk)
17:08, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- I was able to source the founding of the org and a 2007 membership stat to newspaper articles. They got a lot of press in Florida, where the founder lived, in the early years.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c)
17:51, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- That looks a lot better. I think you can just close the AfD as withdrawn, since there were no "delete" votes. But some sort of protection would be good. Aymatth2 ( talk) 20:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- I was able to source the founding of the org and a 2007 membership stat to newspaper articles. They got a lot of press in Florida, where the founder lived, in the early years.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c)
17:51, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- I would go back further - the January 2015 has some puffy stuff that is not supported by the sources. e.g.
these changes in 2013. Maybe the article should be protected from IPs and brand-new single-purpose editors.
Aymatth2 (
talk)
17:08, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Aha, Kourtney McCarty appears to have been ACAMS's Director of Marketing (
[1]). Also wow she wiped out a much stronger article with promotional material. I'm probably about to withdraw the nomination and restore the January 2015 sourced revision.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c)
16:43, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was nomination withdrawn. Reversion to a pre-COI editor's work and updating has mitigated the issues and identified coverage that meets NCORP. (non-admin closure) Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Association of Certified Anti-Money Laundering Specialists
AfDs for this article:
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- Association of Certified Anti-Money Laundering Specialists ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
I cannot find substantial coverage of this organization on its own (though it gets plenty of mentions because it offers a certification). Previous AfDs ended no consensus in 2006 (evenly split keep/delete) and delete in 2008; it was remade in 2009. This page is a PROMO disaster. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:25, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Finance-related deletion discussions. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:25, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:25, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: Pretty notable organization, especially in Anti-Money Laundry and Anti-Terrorist Financing profession. Its certification CFE is the most recognized in the industry. However, I do agree in its current state it doesn't fit with Wikipedia guidelines. So if someone can rewrite this and get rid of the promo content then it's strong keep. Kazuha1029 ( talk) 06:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: As Kazuha says, it is pretty notable, even if it does not get much mainstream attention. However, coverage of some of its activities can be found, and I believe they are sufficient to meet
WP:NCORP. For instance,
WWF Collaberation,
anti slavery activities,
acquisition by Becker. Worth noting the coverage of the first two is quite extensive, and either one of them would likely be enough to classify ACAMS as notable.
BilledMammal (
talk)
09:04, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- @ BilledMammal, go ahead and add some of that to the page—it's ready to take more sourced content now (I reverted to the pre-2015 revision with some updated material) and I'm probably about to withdraw the nomination. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:53, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. It is notable. I started it in 2009 with
this version. That got puffed up a bit to
this version (e.g. "for-profit" removed from lead description, plug for founders added), then with
these changes made in 2015 by
Kourtneymccarty all the sourced content was scrapped and replaced by material from the website. Probably best to go back to the 2009 version, then maybe update it. But it may be hard to stop it deteriorating again.
Aymatth2 (
talk)
12:08, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Aha, Kourtney McCarty appears to have been ACAMS's Director of Marketing (
[1]). Also wow she wiped out a much stronger article with promotional material. I'm probably about to withdraw the nomination and restore the January 2015 sourced revision.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c)
16:43, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- I would go back further - the January 2015 has some puffy stuff that is not supported by the sources. e.g.
these changes in 2013. Maybe the article should be protected from IPs and brand-new single-purpose editors.
Aymatth2 (
talk)
17:08, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- I was able to source the founding of the org and a 2007 membership stat to newspaper articles. They got a lot of press in Florida, where the founder lived, in the early years.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c)
17:51, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- That looks a lot better. I think you can just close the AfD as withdrawn, since there were no "delete" votes. But some sort of protection would be good. Aymatth2 ( talk) 20:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- I was able to source the founding of the org and a 2007 membership stat to newspaper articles. They got a lot of press in Florida, where the founder lived, in the early years.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c)
17:51, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- I would go back further - the January 2015 has some puffy stuff that is not supported by the sources. e.g.
these changes in 2013. Maybe the article should be protected from IPs and brand-new single-purpose editors.
Aymatth2 (
talk)
17:08, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Aha, Kourtney McCarty appears to have been ACAMS's Director of Marketing (
[1]). Also wow she wiped out a much stronger article with promotional material. I'm probably about to withdraw the nomination and restore the January 2015 sourced revision.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
t •
c)
16:43, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
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