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The result was delete. Deor ( talk) 09:01, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Arkansas-Baylor football rivalry
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I'm not sure if this rivalry is notable. There seams to be no reliable sources that discuss it in detail. Vanjagenije ( talk) 19:12, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
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- Comment. No !vote right now, but without any actual sources, there's nothing here that isn't already mentioned (with much better grammar, etc.) at
Baylor Bears football#Arkansas. --
Kinu
t/
c 19:00, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- Formalizing my !vote: Delete. I haven't found anything substantive to suggest that this rivalry is discussed enough in WP:RS to warrant a standalone article. The mention at Baylor Bears football#Arkansas appears sufficient. -- Kinu t/ c 08:47, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
- Comment - I have not had time to perform the WP:BEFORE research required to determine the notability of this game series as a rivalry, but per WP:NRIVALRY, no sports rivalry is inherently notable, and every sports "rivalry" must satisfy the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG. That means significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources explicitly covering the series as a rivalry, not merely as a recurring game series. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 19:16, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- Comment no position yet. There may be historical implications that today are no longer there, but it could be worthwhile.--
Paul McDonald (
talk) 20:58, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete it's just not there. No sources in the article, nothing I can find on the "rivalry" itself.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 13:37, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm still wading through lots of commentary and old newspaper articles on former Southwest Conference rivalries, and it's pretty clear that Arkansas' big rivalry in the old Southwest Conference before 1992 was Texas. As for the basics of the Arkansas-Baylor series, the teams first met in 1904, they played annually from 1927 to 1991 when both were members of the Southwest Conference, and the all-time series record is 33–35–2 (Arkansas leads). They have not played at all since 1991, and there does not appear to have been a great outcry by either fan base to renew the series or bemoaning its loss. There was no traveling trophy, and the series never acquired a nickname. However, none of that is definitive as to whether the series constituted a traditional college football rivalry in the past. It's going to come down to the media coverage of the series, and whether or not the media regularly characterized the series as a "rivalry" or not. I still have a lot more reading to do.
Dirtlawyer1 (
talk) 12:44, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
- Preliminary search results from Newspapers.com:
- 1. "Arkansas-Baylor football rivalry" produced zero articles.
- 2. "Arkansas-Baylor rivalry" yielded zero results.
- 3. "Baylor-Arkansas football rivalry" reveals multiple hits from a 1949 Associated Press wire article about match-ups in the Southwest Conference where the opposing coaches (in this case John Barnhill and Bob Woodruff) had common playing and/or coaching experience. The Baylor-Arkansas rivalry got a 40-word paragraph. The key word search variation did not produce any other results other than this same AP article published in multiple newspapers. In my evaluation, such one-time use of the word "rivalry" in a brief, one-paragraph mention is not "significant coverage" per WP:GNG.
- 4. "Baylor-Arkansas rivalry" produces a single 1982 article from The Waco Citizen (hometown newspaper of Baylor University). The 7-paragraph article gives a brief synopsis of the series history to date, and uses the word "rivalry" once. In my opinion, this constitute marginally "significant coverage," but is discounted as local coverage of the university.
- 5. "rivalry between Arkansas and Baylor" yielded one 1935 article from The Waco News-Tribune which employs the word "rivalry" once to describe the series in a 4-paragraph article about pregame practices and injuries. IMHO, this is a trivial mention and not "significant coverage," further discounted because it's an article from one of Baylor University's hometown newspapers.
- 6. "rivalry between Baylor and Arkansas" produces zero hits.
- Granted there are numerous additional key word searches that can be performed, but I am not seeing in-depth coverage of this game series as a rivalry in multiple, independent, reliable sources as required by WP:NRIVALRY and WP:GNG. My tentative reaction is that this was not a traditional college football rivalry, and was not covered as such in the mainstream media. Therefore, my current position is a "tentative delete," but I will keep looking in fairness to this old-time Southwest Conference match-up. There are still other searches to be performed before I remove the "tentative" from my !vote. I encourage other editors to conduct their own searches. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 14:34, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - I've exhausted my search parameters, and found no significant coverage of this game series as a rivalry, therefore my !vote is now a firm "delete." Most of the few trivial, incidental and non-significant mentions I did find of the series as a "rivalry" were in the local Waco, Texas newspapers. There's just not enough there to satisfy WP:NRIVALRY and WP:GNG. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 14:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - Per Dirtlawyer1. Patriarca12 ( talk) 03:25, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - nice work, DL. JohnInDC ( talk) 17:29, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. Not every team meeting is a rivalry, even if the teams have met often. Without sourcing, calling this series of games a rivalry sufficiently notable for inclusion is original synthesis. BusterD ( talk) 00:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Deor ( talk) 09:01, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Arkansas-Baylor football rivalry
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I'm not sure if this rivalry is notable. There seams to be no reliable sources that discuss it in detail. Vanjagenije ( talk) 19:12, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arkansas-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 18:45, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 18:45, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 18:46, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 18:46, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. No !vote right now, but without any actual sources, there's nothing here that isn't already mentioned (with much better grammar, etc.) at
Baylor Bears football#Arkansas. --
Kinu
t/
c 19:00, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- Formalizing my !vote: Delete. I haven't found anything substantive to suggest that this rivalry is discussed enough in WP:RS to warrant a standalone article. The mention at Baylor Bears football#Arkansas appears sufficient. -- Kinu t/ c 08:47, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
- Comment - I have not had time to perform the WP:BEFORE research required to determine the notability of this game series as a rivalry, but per WP:NRIVALRY, no sports rivalry is inherently notable, and every sports "rivalry" must satisfy the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG. That means significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources explicitly covering the series as a rivalry, not merely as a recurring game series. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 19:16, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- Comment no position yet. There may be historical implications that today are no longer there, but it could be worthwhile.--
Paul McDonald (
talk) 20:58, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete it's just not there. No sources in the article, nothing I can find on the "rivalry" itself.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 13:37, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- Comment - I'm still wading through lots of commentary and old newspaper articles on former Southwest Conference rivalries, and it's pretty clear that Arkansas' big rivalry in the old Southwest Conference before 1992 was Texas. As for the basics of the Arkansas-Baylor series, the teams first met in 1904, they played annually from 1927 to 1991 when both were members of the Southwest Conference, and the all-time series record is 33–35–2 (Arkansas leads). They have not played at all since 1991, and there does not appear to have been a great outcry by either fan base to renew the series or bemoaning its loss. There was no traveling trophy, and the series never acquired a nickname. However, none of that is definitive as to whether the series constituted a traditional college football rivalry in the past. It's going to come down to the media coverage of the series, and whether or not the media regularly characterized the series as a "rivalry" or not. I still have a lot more reading to do.
Dirtlawyer1 (
talk) 12:44, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
- Preliminary search results from Newspapers.com:
- 1. "Arkansas-Baylor football rivalry" produced zero articles.
- 2. "Arkansas-Baylor rivalry" yielded zero results.
- 3. "Baylor-Arkansas football rivalry" reveals multiple hits from a 1949 Associated Press wire article about match-ups in the Southwest Conference where the opposing coaches (in this case John Barnhill and Bob Woodruff) had common playing and/or coaching experience. The Baylor-Arkansas rivalry got a 40-word paragraph. The key word search variation did not produce any other results other than this same AP article published in multiple newspapers. In my evaluation, such one-time use of the word "rivalry" in a brief, one-paragraph mention is not "significant coverage" per WP:GNG.
- 4. "Baylor-Arkansas rivalry" produces a single 1982 article from The Waco Citizen (hometown newspaper of Baylor University). The 7-paragraph article gives a brief synopsis of the series history to date, and uses the word "rivalry" once. In my opinion, this constitute marginally "significant coverage," but is discounted as local coverage of the university.
- 5. "rivalry between Arkansas and Baylor" yielded one 1935 article from The Waco News-Tribune which employs the word "rivalry" once to describe the series in a 4-paragraph article about pregame practices and injuries. IMHO, this is a trivial mention and not "significant coverage," further discounted because it's an article from one of Baylor University's hometown newspapers.
- 6. "rivalry between Baylor and Arkansas" produces zero hits.
- Granted there are numerous additional key word searches that can be performed, but I am not seeing in-depth coverage of this game series as a rivalry in multiple, independent, reliable sources as required by WP:NRIVALRY and WP:GNG. My tentative reaction is that this was not a traditional college football rivalry, and was not covered as such in the mainstream media. Therefore, my current position is a "tentative delete," but I will keep looking in fairness to this old-time Southwest Conference match-up. There are still other searches to be performed before I remove the "tentative" from my !vote. I encourage other editors to conduct their own searches. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 14:34, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - I've exhausted my search parameters, and found no significant coverage of this game series as a rivalry, therefore my !vote is now a firm "delete." Most of the few trivial, incidental and non-significant mentions I did find of the series as a "rivalry" were in the local Waco, Texas newspapers. There's just not enough there to satisfy WP:NRIVALRY and WP:GNG. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 14:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - Per Dirtlawyer1. Patriarca12 ( talk) 03:25, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - nice work, DL. JohnInDC ( talk) 17:29, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. Not every team meeting is a rivalry, even if the teams have met often. Without sourcing, calling this series of games a rivalry sufficiently notable for inclusion is original synthesis. BusterD ( talk) 00:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
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