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The result was delete. Both "keep"s are by very new accounts, and very shallowly argued, whereas the "delete"s are by experienced contributors. Sandstein 21:27, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
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fails WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO the sources are essentially affiliated sources or sources that mention him in passing in articles about the national archives or simple appointment notices. Nothing of interest found in a WP:BEFORE search Domdeparis ( talk) 09:20, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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Keep There are plenty of reliable second sources regarding him. The fact that they are focused on his role in the national archives is quite normal per WP:ANYBIO, as long as that is the source of his nitability. Gezimmemishaj ( talk) 10:08, 7 November 2017 (UTC) — Gezimmemishaj ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Note Please do keep in mind that even major media outlets in Albania are not represented in google news or other related search engines. As such, it would be biased to be based on them for understanding the notability of Albanian notable persons.
Gezimmemishaj (
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- All BLP articles have to be sourced, I am not basing my deletion nomination solely on the lack of sources but as a national archive director it is unlikely that there will be in-depth coverage of this person. This is not the sort of public position that generates much coverage in any country that would go towards proving notability. So unless there are sources that prove his notability now then I don't believe that it is worth keeping the article in the hope that some will be found.
Domdeparis (
talk) 10:25, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- I saw that David Ferriero and Jeff James (public servant) notability comes precisely from their archives managing role. Both articles are less sourced than this one. And as I searched in google there are plenty of news articles regarding him probably every week. But, whatever, I do not care as it seems to be a bias against Albanians who are only notable in Albania (some days ago a page i created for the rector of the biggest university in albania was attacked for the same reasoning). The sources are plenty for this article so it is a string keep for me. Gezimmemishaj ( talk) 11:12, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- All BLP articles have to be sourced, I am not basing my deletion nomination solely on the lack of sources but as a national archive director it is unlikely that there will be in-depth coverage of this person. This is not the sort of public position that generates much coverage in any country that would go towards proving notability. So unless there are sources that prove his notability now then I don't believe that it is worth keeping the article in the hope that some will be found.
Domdeparis (
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- I agree with you about James and please feel free to nominate for deletion if you wish but Ferriero is a heavily sourced article and shows notability as per GNG. Please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS as this is not a valid argument to use in a deletion debate. There is no bias against Albanians or any other nationality especially from my part. Please try and read WP:AGF and do not accuse me of bias without proof as this is a personal attack Domdeparis ( talk) 11:59, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- Its not a personal attack. It is a bias of English Wikipedia against persons notable in countries where English is not spoken. The articles in Albanian are a depth coverage of his activities. The same as the rector that I wrote above. The fact that there is nothing in English does mean nothing. Gezimmemishaj ( talk) 16:16, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- KEEP It is worthy to expand the article, and I added some material and plan to add more. Of course it is a noteworthy article, about a person who holds an important position and who is present in media in Albania frequently, as sources provide. Arditrada ( talk) 13:00, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- It is not the frequency of the appearance of his name in media but the depth of coverage that is important. This is what is missing in this article. There are not enough in depth secondary coverage to pass WP:GNG. Domdeparis ( talk) 13:12, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete. I find the lack of independent sources disturbing. Astonishingly, an article written by a WP:SPA and supported by other WP:SPAs turns out to be more than a little promotional. I am shocked. Guy ( Help!) 09:11, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Both "keep"s are by very new accounts, and very shallowly argued, whereas the "delete"s are by experienced contributors. Sandstein 21:27, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Ardit Bido
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fails WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO the sources are essentially affiliated sources or sources that mention him in passing in articles about the national archives or simple appointment notices. Nothing of interest found in a WP:BEFORE search Domdeparis ( talk) 09:20, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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Keep There are plenty of reliable second sources regarding him. The fact that they are focused on his role in the national archives is quite normal per WP:ANYBIO, as long as that is the source of his nitability. Gezimmemishaj ( talk) 10:08, 7 November 2017 (UTC) — Gezimmemishaj ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Note Please do keep in mind that even major media outlets in Albania are not represented in google news or other related search engines. As such, it would be biased to be based on them for understanding the notability of Albanian notable persons.
Gezimmemishaj (
talk) 10:13, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- All BLP articles have to be sourced, I am not basing my deletion nomination solely on the lack of sources but as a national archive director it is unlikely that there will be in-depth coverage of this person. This is not the sort of public position that generates much coverage in any country that would go towards proving notability. So unless there are sources that prove his notability now then I don't believe that it is worth keeping the article in the hope that some will be found.
Domdeparis (
talk) 10:25, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- I saw that David Ferriero and Jeff James (public servant) notability comes precisely from their archives managing role. Both articles are less sourced than this one. And as I searched in google there are plenty of news articles regarding him probably every week. But, whatever, I do not care as it seems to be a bias against Albanians who are only notable in Albania (some days ago a page i created for the rector of the biggest university in albania was attacked for the same reasoning). The sources are plenty for this article so it is a string keep for me. Gezimmemishaj ( talk) 11:12, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- All BLP articles have to be sourced, I am not basing my deletion nomination solely on the lack of sources but as a national archive director it is unlikely that there will be in-depth coverage of this person. This is not the sort of public position that generates much coverage in any country that would go towards proving notability. So unless there are sources that prove his notability now then I don't believe that it is worth keeping the article in the hope that some will be found.
Domdeparis (
talk) 10:25, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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North America
1000 11:30, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- I agree with you about James and please feel free to nominate for deletion if you wish but Ferriero is a heavily sourced article and shows notability as per GNG. Please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS as this is not a valid argument to use in a deletion debate. There is no bias against Albanians or any other nationality especially from my part. Please try and read WP:AGF and do not accuse me of bias without proof as this is a personal attack Domdeparis ( talk) 11:59, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- Its not a personal attack. It is a bias of English Wikipedia against persons notable in countries where English is not spoken. The articles in Albanian are a depth coverage of his activities. The same as the rector that I wrote above. The fact that there is nothing in English does mean nothing. Gezimmemishaj ( talk) 16:16, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- KEEP It is worthy to expand the article, and I added some material and plan to add more. Of course it is a noteworthy article, about a person who holds an important position and who is present in media in Albania frequently, as sources provide. Arditrada ( talk) 13:00, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
- It is not the frequency of the appearance of his name in media but the depth of coverage that is important. This is what is missing in this article. There are not enough in depth secondary coverage to pass WP:GNG. Domdeparis ( talk) 13:12, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 02:06, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 02:06, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Galobtter ( talkó tuó mió) 07:48, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete. I find the lack of independent sources disturbing. Astonishingly, an article written by a WP:SPA and supported by other WP:SPAs turns out to be more than a little promotional. I am shocked. Guy ( Help!) 09:11, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
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