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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 13:45, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
April Engelberg
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Non-notable person. Fails WP:POLITICIAN, never been elected to a political office and failed the previous time they ran. Not notable in any way for any other reason and makes no claims to be. Purely a failed politican candidate of which there are thousands. Possible COI with creator. Canterbury Tail talk 17:04, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women, and Canada. Shellwood ( talk) 17:18, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:NPOL and doesn't appear to have any form of notability. Let's not jump to conclusions about a COI but, regardless, the subject simply isn't notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. Perhaps notable in the future if she is elected to a higher office. Jmanlucas ( talk) 17:37, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- No prejudice against recreation if she does attain notability in the future. However it's also possible that just being elected to Toronto council, should it happen, isn't enough for notability. Oh and there's a definite COI, as the creating user posted this on their user page before deleting it. Canterbury Tail talk 18:21, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Most of what's written about her is in relation to the decision to the provincial government to cut the number of municipal wards mid election, she was one of the unlucky that had her electoral riding carved up as the election was happening. As a lawyer, she isn't notable. She was never a politician. Can review if/when she wins the election in October. Oaktree b ( talk) 20:13, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- I understand your points about notability, though I argue that several of her competitors that have also not been nominated do have wikipedia pages. Also the news articles linked show that she is a well-known member of the community, and that should make her notable, no? I can link more TV interviews if necessary.
- About the COI, I do not know her well. She lives in my building, that's all. When I first made the article I read that I should state this as COI since I wasn't sure and wanted to air on the cautious side, but my first edits were deleted immediately without any discussion at all, which I thought was unfair, so that's why I removed it. VicenteEsnaola ( talk) 15:44, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. People do not get Wikipedia articles just for running as candidates in elections they have not already won; the notability test for politicians is holding a notable office, not just running for one, and the article as written is cited entirely to primary sources (directory entries, etc.) that are not proper support for any claim that she had preexisting notability for other reasons independently of being a candidate. Obviously no prejudice against recreation in the fall if she wins, but nothing here is grounds for her to already have an article now. Bearcat ( talk) 11:56, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. She didn't win an election, and all the coverage is routine election coverage, which fails WP:NPOL. Jacona ( talk) 13:09, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Don't see how meets WP:NPOL. Interviews aren't sufficient to show notability. Also other candidates not being nominated is not grounds to keep as per WP:OTHERSTUFF. - Kj cheetham ( talk) 19:54, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - per above, fails WP:GNG and WP:POLITICIAN. Inter&anthro ( talk) 20:50, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 13:45, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
April Engelberg
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Non-notable person. Fails WP:POLITICIAN, never been elected to a political office and failed the previous time they ran. Not notable in any way for any other reason and makes no claims to be. Purely a failed politican candidate of which there are thousands. Possible COI with creator. Canterbury Tail talk 17:04, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women, and Canada. Shellwood ( talk) 17:18, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:NPOL and doesn't appear to have any form of notability. Let's not jump to conclusions about a COI but, regardless, the subject simply isn't notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. Perhaps notable in the future if she is elected to a higher office. Jmanlucas ( talk) 17:37, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- No prejudice against recreation if she does attain notability in the future. However it's also possible that just being elected to Toronto council, should it happen, isn't enough for notability. Oh and there's a definite COI, as the creating user posted this on their user page before deleting it. Canterbury Tail talk 18:21, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Most of what's written about her is in relation to the decision to the provincial government to cut the number of municipal wards mid election, she was one of the unlucky that had her electoral riding carved up as the election was happening. As a lawyer, she isn't notable. She was never a politician. Can review if/when she wins the election in October. Oaktree b ( talk) 20:13, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
- I understand your points about notability, though I argue that several of her competitors that have also not been nominated do have wikipedia pages. Also the news articles linked show that she is a well-known member of the community, and that should make her notable, no? I can link more TV interviews if necessary.
- About the COI, I do not know her well. She lives in my building, that's all. When I first made the article I read that I should state this as COI since I wasn't sure and wanted to air on the cautious side, but my first edits were deleted immediately without any discussion at all, which I thought was unfair, so that's why I removed it. VicenteEsnaola ( talk) 15:44, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. People do not get Wikipedia articles just for running as candidates in elections they have not already won; the notability test for politicians is holding a notable office, not just running for one, and the article as written is cited entirely to primary sources (directory entries, etc.) that are not proper support for any claim that she had preexisting notability for other reasons independently of being a candidate. Obviously no prejudice against recreation in the fall if she wins, but nothing here is grounds for her to already have an article now. Bearcat ( talk) 11:56, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. She didn't win an election, and all the coverage is routine election coverage, which fails WP:NPOL. Jacona ( talk) 13:09, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Don't see how meets WP:NPOL. Interviews aren't sufficient to show notability. Also other candidates not being nominated is not grounds to keep as per WP:OTHERSTUFF. - Kj cheetham ( talk) 19:54, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - per above, fails WP:GNG and WP:POLITICIAN. Inter&anthro ( talk) 20:50, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
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