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The result was no consensus. There is a clear consensus not to delete the article, but the suggestions to merge or redirect have not been entirely refuted. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:58, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
Anti-Canadian sentiment
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WP:PERMASTUB Not a notable subject on its own. Only item doesn't seem very notable. If someone wanted to keep the info, they could add it to Brazil–Canada relations. Funnily, the talk page for this article is huge. rsjaffe 🗩 🖉 20:15, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. rsjaffe 🗩 🖉 20:15, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. rsjaffe 🗩 🖉 20:15, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Discrimination-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 20:30, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: The article used to be a lot longer too. It was severely trimmed, following accusations that the old version surmounted to a hodgepodge trivia collection, much like the "in popular culture" writeups that flooded AFD a decade ago. Geschichte ( talk) 20:38, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep and expand. Clearly there are negative stereotypes directed towards Canadians that could be developed in an article like this.
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20:50, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- E.g., Faye Hammill, Women, Celebrity, and Literary Culture between the Wars (2009), p. 113: "According to stereotype, Canadians are perceived as unassuming and possibly dull".
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20:59, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Calling Canadians dull is not an anti-Canadian sentiment, though. We however have a lot of "Stereotypes of" pages, see Special:Allpages/Stereotypes of. Geschichte ( talk) 21:22, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- E.g., Faye Hammill, Women, Celebrity, and Literary Culture between the Wars (2009), p. 113: "According to stereotype, Canadians are perceived as unassuming and possibly dull".
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20:59, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep This is not a permastub – the page has existed with substantial content since 2006 and the idea that it's just Brazil is ludicrous. What's happened here is that someone has blanked most of the content. I have restored this now. Andrew🐉( talk) 16:28, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - I don't see what's changed since the last AFD, other than a lot more good references and versions in other languages. The Arabic version ( ar:معاداة_الكندية) is perhaps better referenced than this one! Nfitz ( talk) 00:05, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: it's a WP:COATRACK listing unrelated incidents in which Canada was criticized. Many of the examples given are trivial (a line from a sitcom), out of context (Voltaire), hyperbolic (Ann Coulter), or satirical ( Blame Canada and Canadian Idiot). If this article exists, why not Anti-Tesla sentiment? It'd be easy to assemble quotations from famous people. If not deleted perhaps the best outcome could be to rename it List of complaints about Canada. -- Cornellier ( talk) 23:40, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per Cornellier clearly a WP:COATRACK listing of unrelated incidents. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 02:44, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- I'd like to repeat User:Future Perfect at Sunrise's rationale from this similar AfD:
Articles like this are legitimate only in cases like Anti-Semitism where there is a substantial body of academic, third-party literature that discusses the phenomenon as such in its entirety (as opposed to simply individual events described as "anti-X'ist"). Otherwise the synthesis of such events constitutes WP:OR. Legitimate information pertaining to individual historical situations can be integrated elsewhere, for instance in articles on "History of X" or "X-Y relations".
- In addition to Allan (2009), already referenced in the article, I found two more possibly usable sources on a google books search:
- Brunet, Michel (1969). Anti-Canadianism and Anti-Americanism in the Cultural and Political Tradition of the American and Canadian Peoples: Lecture Given at the University of Delaware ; Contemporary Canada and the Double Challenge of the United States' Continentalism and of the Quebecois' Nationalism.
- Morissey, Ronald S. (1968). American Attitudes Toward Canada, 1815-1854. University of Wisconsin-Madison.
- Note that all three of these seem to focus on the US with regards to "anti-Canadianism". So far I'm not convinced there's a "substantial body" so my preference at present would be to merge notable incidents, such as the Saudi one, into bilateral relations articles, and redirect this title to foreign relations of Canada. If someone can demonstrate that there are more sources available whose primary topic is "anti-Canadianism" I may be convinced to change my vote to keep. – filelakeshoe ( t / c) 🐱 08:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Delete/selective merge Almost none of this is actually a cohesive topic of anti-Canadian sentiment, just different content synthesized together. In popular culture: all complete satire of the fact that nobody actually hates Canada so it's funny when people do. Domestic section: silly that this is the longest one, and I don't think it's appropriate to conflate Quebec nationalism with First Nations criticism with political complaints about policies. Incredibly inappropriate that irrelevant nonsense like "Conservative activists Steven Crowder, David Frum, Jamie Glazov, Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn have repeatedly criticized Canada's policies." was restored to the article when deservedly removed. Anti-Americanism doesn't need to include domestic criticism of our own government or culture. The diplomatic issues are also isolated events that aren't tied together as deep-seated sentiment against the Canadian people. Reywas92 Talk 14:12, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect/Selective Merge per filelakeshoe. It is a WP:COATRACK but there is some valuable content here to other articles which makes merger valuable. Additionally, future sources may be found to properly recreate the article. WP:PRESERVE and WP:CHEAP apply here. 4meter4 ( talk) 20:02, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Negative sentiments towards Canada exist. 24.150.136.254 ( talk) 01:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep The subject meets WP:GNG and the sources tell that the sentiment against Canada is indeed specific. Abhishek0831996 ( talk) 08:41, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to try and establish consensus on an appropriate redirect/merge target or allow evidence to be presented that article meets WP:GNG
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 13:00, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Relisting to try and establish consensus on an appropriate redirect/merge target or allow evidence to be presented that article meets WP:GNG
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 13:00, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Nfitz. It has only improved since the last AfD. Ajshul 😃
- Keep I see plenty of good sources in the article covering the topic. Mlb96 ( talk) 02:27, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. There is a clear consensus not to delete the article, but the suggestions to merge or redirect have not been entirely refuted. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:58, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
Anti-Canadian sentiment
AfDs for this article:
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- Anti-Canadian sentiment ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
WP:PERMASTUB Not a notable subject on its own. Only item doesn't seem very notable. If someone wanted to keep the info, they could add it to Brazil–Canada relations. Funnily, the talk page for this article is huge. rsjaffe 🗩 🖉 20:15, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. rsjaffe 🗩 🖉 20:15, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. rsjaffe 🗩 🖉 20:15, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Discrimination-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 20:30, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: The article used to be a lot longer too. It was severely trimmed, following accusations that the old version surmounted to a hodgepodge trivia collection, much like the "in popular culture" writeups that flooded AFD a decade ago. Geschichte ( talk) 20:38, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep and expand. Clearly there are negative stereotypes directed towards Canadians that could be developed in an article like this.
BD2412
T
20:50, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- E.g., Faye Hammill, Women, Celebrity, and Literary Culture between the Wars (2009), p. 113: "According to stereotype, Canadians are perceived as unassuming and possibly dull".
BD2412
T
20:59, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Calling Canadians dull is not an anti-Canadian sentiment, though. We however have a lot of "Stereotypes of" pages, see Special:Allpages/Stereotypes of. Geschichte ( talk) 21:22, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- E.g., Faye Hammill, Women, Celebrity, and Literary Culture between the Wars (2009), p. 113: "According to stereotype, Canadians are perceived as unassuming and possibly dull".
BD2412
T
20:59, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep This is not a permastub – the page has existed with substantial content since 2006 and the idea that it's just Brazil is ludicrous. What's happened here is that someone has blanked most of the content. I have restored this now. Andrew🐉( talk) 16:28, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - I don't see what's changed since the last AFD, other than a lot more good references and versions in other languages. The Arabic version ( ar:معاداة_الكندية) is perhaps better referenced than this one! Nfitz ( talk) 00:05, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: it's a WP:COATRACK listing unrelated incidents in which Canada was criticized. Many of the examples given are trivial (a line from a sitcom), out of context (Voltaire), hyperbolic (Ann Coulter), or satirical ( Blame Canada and Canadian Idiot). If this article exists, why not Anti-Tesla sentiment? It'd be easy to assemble quotations from famous people. If not deleted perhaps the best outcome could be to rename it List of complaints about Canada. -- Cornellier ( talk) 23:40, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per Cornellier clearly a WP:COATRACK listing of unrelated incidents. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 02:44, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- I'd like to repeat User:Future Perfect at Sunrise's rationale from this similar AfD:
Articles like this are legitimate only in cases like Anti-Semitism where there is a substantial body of academic, third-party literature that discusses the phenomenon as such in its entirety (as opposed to simply individual events described as "anti-X'ist"). Otherwise the synthesis of such events constitutes WP:OR. Legitimate information pertaining to individual historical situations can be integrated elsewhere, for instance in articles on "History of X" or "X-Y relations".
- In addition to Allan (2009), already referenced in the article, I found two more possibly usable sources on a google books search:
- Brunet, Michel (1969). Anti-Canadianism and Anti-Americanism in the Cultural and Political Tradition of the American and Canadian Peoples: Lecture Given at the University of Delaware ; Contemporary Canada and the Double Challenge of the United States' Continentalism and of the Quebecois' Nationalism.
- Morissey, Ronald S. (1968). American Attitudes Toward Canada, 1815-1854. University of Wisconsin-Madison.
- Note that all three of these seem to focus on the US with regards to "anti-Canadianism". So far I'm not convinced there's a "substantial body" so my preference at present would be to merge notable incidents, such as the Saudi one, into bilateral relations articles, and redirect this title to foreign relations of Canada. If someone can demonstrate that there are more sources available whose primary topic is "anti-Canadianism" I may be convinced to change my vote to keep. – filelakeshoe ( t / c) 🐱 08:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Delete/selective merge Almost none of this is actually a cohesive topic of anti-Canadian sentiment, just different content synthesized together. In popular culture: all complete satire of the fact that nobody actually hates Canada so it's funny when people do. Domestic section: silly that this is the longest one, and I don't think it's appropriate to conflate Quebec nationalism with First Nations criticism with political complaints about policies. Incredibly inappropriate that irrelevant nonsense like "Conservative activists Steven Crowder, David Frum, Jamie Glazov, Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn have repeatedly criticized Canada's policies." was restored to the article when deservedly removed. Anti-Americanism doesn't need to include domestic criticism of our own government or culture. The diplomatic issues are also isolated events that aren't tied together as deep-seated sentiment against the Canadian people. Reywas92 Talk 14:12, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect/Selective Merge per filelakeshoe. It is a WP:COATRACK but there is some valuable content here to other articles which makes merger valuable. Additionally, future sources may be found to properly recreate the article. WP:PRESERVE and WP:CHEAP apply here. 4meter4 ( talk) 20:02, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Negative sentiments towards Canada exist. 24.150.136.254 ( talk) 01:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep The subject meets WP:GNG and the sources tell that the sentiment against Canada is indeed specific. Abhishek0831996 ( talk) 08:41, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to try and establish consensus on an appropriate redirect/merge target or allow evidence to be presented that article meets WP:GNG
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 13:00, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Relisting to try and establish consensus on an appropriate redirect/merge target or allow evidence to be presented that article meets WP:GNG
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 13:00, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Nfitz. It has only improved since the last AfD. Ajshul 😃
- Keep I see plenty of good sources in the article covering the topic. Mlb96 ( talk) 02:27, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.