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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn with no comment supporting deletion. RL0919 ( talk) 12:48, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
American Dog Breeders Association
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Fails WP:GNG. Completely non-notable breed club for the American Pit Bull Terrier that purports to be a kennel club. An extensive search found only a single source, already cited on the page, that comes anywhere close to meeting WP:SIGCOV, [1], and that’s debatable. Otherwise there are just a few mentions in a couple of books, [2] [3] and the online Encyclopædia Britannica on their pit bull page. Cavalryman ( talk) 04:31, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Withdrawn by nominator, upon reflection this is a viable search term, I will work with the page contributors to improve the sourcing, and if unable then a future merger with APBT may be an option. Cavalryman ( talk) 03:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC).
- Keep - It passes GNG. I can't recall all of the article's history, but
Justlettersandnumbers cited a source or two, and
Wbm1058 helped with a merge/technical issue after a rework (and a prior CSD failed). There was a copyvio concern which caused me to rework the article. This AfD might be a candidate for a snow close if the nom agrees.
Atsme
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05:12, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Justlettersandnumbers re-ping... Atsme 💬 📧 05:16, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep. I don't know the details of the nominator's "extensive search", but my quick Google Books search finds lots of sources at least mentioning this organization, and it seems like more than a couple of them have significant mentions. "In 1909, the American Dog Breeders Association was formed and also accepted the American Pit Bull Terrier into its registry. Finally, in 1936, the American Kennel Club accepted the breed as the Staffordshire Terrier." So, for that one (controversial) breed, they are perhaps more notable than "Kennel Club". The Google Ngram shows coverage in sources published over 100 years ago. Animal Cruelty and Freedom of Speech: When Worlds Collide: "The Endangered Dog Breeders Association (EBA) and the American Dog Breeders Association (ADBA) were one exception. They combined forces to file a joint amicus brief asking the Court to invalidate Section 48 because it exceeded the ..." -– wbm1058 ( talk) 02:41, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Are you honestly suggesting 34 words "
addresses the topic ... in detail"? Much more than a mere mention is required to meet
WP:GNG. When looking for sources to improve the page I certainly expected to find more, but as you have just demonstrated there’s not much out there.
Cavalryman (
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03:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- I assumed that there was more discussion of the topic in those sources. I just copied the excerpts included in the Google Search results.
wbm1058 (
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17:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- As a Wikipedia editor, your task is much more than to simply assume - do the research and then form your opinion. William Harris (talk) 07:03, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- I assumed that there was more discussion of the topic in those sources. I just copied the excerpts included in the Google Search results.
wbm1058 (
talk)
17:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Are you honestly suggesting 34 words "
addresses the topic ... in detail"? Much more than a mere mention is required to meet
WP:GNG. When looking for sources to improve the page I certainly expected to find more, but as you have just demonstrated there’s not much out there.
Cavalryman (
talk)
03:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn with no comment supporting deletion. RL0919 ( talk) 12:48, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
American Dog Breeders Association
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Fails WP:GNG. Completely non-notable breed club for the American Pit Bull Terrier that purports to be a kennel club. An extensive search found only a single source, already cited on the page, that comes anywhere close to meeting WP:SIGCOV, [1], and that’s debatable. Otherwise there are just a few mentions in a couple of books, [2] [3] and the online Encyclopædia Britannica on their pit bull page. Cavalryman ( talk) 04:31, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Withdrawn by nominator, upon reflection this is a viable search term, I will work with the page contributors to improve the sourcing, and if unable then a future merger with APBT may be an option. Cavalryman ( talk) 03:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC).
- Keep - It passes GNG. I can't recall all of the article's history, but
Justlettersandnumbers cited a source or two, and
Wbm1058 helped with a merge/technical issue after a rework (and a prior CSD failed). There was a copyvio concern which caused me to rework the article. This AfD might be a candidate for a snow close if the nom agrees.
Atsme
💬
📧
05:12, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Justlettersandnumbers re-ping... Atsme 💬 📧 05:16, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 05:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 05:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 05:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Utah-related deletion discussions. – MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 05:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't know the details of the nominator's "extensive search", but my quick Google Books search finds lots of sources at least mentioning this organization, and it seems like more than a couple of them have significant mentions. "In 1909, the American Dog Breeders Association was formed and also accepted the American Pit Bull Terrier into its registry. Finally, in 1936, the American Kennel Club accepted the breed as the Staffordshire Terrier." So, for that one (controversial) breed, they are perhaps more notable than "Kennel Club". The Google Ngram shows coverage in sources published over 100 years ago. Animal Cruelty and Freedom of Speech: When Worlds Collide: "The Endangered Dog Breeders Association (EBA) and the American Dog Breeders Association (ADBA) were one exception. They combined forces to file a joint amicus brief asking the Court to invalidate Section 48 because it exceeded the ..." -– wbm1058 ( talk) 02:41, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Are you honestly suggesting 34 words "
addresses the topic ... in detail"? Much more than a mere mention is required to meet
WP:GNG. When looking for sources to improve the page I certainly expected to find more, but as you have just demonstrated there’s not much out there.
Cavalryman (
talk)
03:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- I assumed that there was more discussion of the topic in those sources. I just copied the excerpts included in the Google Search results.
wbm1058 (
talk)
17:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- As a Wikipedia editor, your task is much more than to simply assume - do the research and then form your opinion. William Harris (talk) 07:03, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- I assumed that there was more discussion of the topic in those sources. I just copied the excerpts included in the Google Search results.
wbm1058 (
talk)
17:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- Are you honestly suggesting 34 words "
addresses the topic ... in detail"? Much more than a mere mention is required to meet
WP:GNG. When looking for sources to improve the page I certainly expected to find more, but as you have just demonstrated there’s not much out there.
Cavalryman (
talk)
03:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.