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The result was Move to draft space. Opinion here is split between straight deletion and covering this topic in a broader-scoped article. The move to draft space allows those who are interested in it to try the latter. Sandstein 21:56, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Alibi (language game)
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Does not meet WP:GNG, this article was created in 2010 by a user who only did this, never has had any references. Although this is not necessarily an issue a gsearch brings up nothing about this (excluding sites that mirror this wikiarticle), apart from the role playing game Alibi, that involves people taking on the role of criminals and police, and this entry from the Macquarie Dictionary which adds the letters 'ullab' after the 1st syllable of each word (which probably isn't notable either). Coolabahapple ( talk) 10:44, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 10:46, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete I was surprised actually but I could not find anything to demonstate notability, or even that it existed other than the same one found by NOM, because I can remember "playing" this "game" when I was about 11/12/13 years old. We used a different replacement/insert syllable though I think, and I do not recall having a name for the "game". I was going to suggest a redirect to Cant (language), ie cryptolanguage, but I think the single almost nothing reference from Macquarie is not enough to support even one sentence there. Itaf atanyone catan fitand atany retaferences atat atall Ita wotauld beta intaterested. Aoziwe ( talk) 12:58, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment This is a real thing, eg Gibberish (language game), and see, eg, this. But I cannot find any "Australian" context reference. Aoziwe ( talk) 13:09, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
- Delete trivial content, not encylopdic. Teraplane ( talk) 23:14, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 07:15, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment, have just added this afd to the education afd list as editors with expertise/experience with pedagogy may have come across the game? Coolabahapple ( talk) 07:17, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
deleteI'm unable to source this at all. Hobit ( talk) 06:09, 7 January 2020 (UTC)- I agree, a catchall article on the topic (secret child languages of Australia?) appears to be where this belongs. At the moment, no such article exists, so perhaps the Language game is the right merge target. So merge but I don't know to where. Hobit ( talk) 00:09, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- Merge to Language game, which has a table of language games in different languages - 13 are listed for English, but not this one, yet. That article also needs additional sources, but the Macquarie Dictionary source which the nom found would be sufficient for including this game in the table (blogs are not usually reliable, but official blogs of museums, dictionaries, etc, can be). RebeccaGreen ( talk) 05:00, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To comment on the merger proposal.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 15:41, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: To comment on the merger proposal.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 15:41, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Article contains no references at all. Topic is obscure and of little interest. Teraplane ( talk) 00:22, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I would not object to a merge but I do think the only reference available is extremely weak and still favour delete. Aoziwe ( talk) 02:37, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I have found another reference, an article in the Sydney Morning Herald by Richard Glover, 'Kids' secret language: how to craliback the code' (16 June 1990) [1]. I will clip it when I can. It also mentions Arp and Nash as other secret languages. A letter to the editor, in response to one from a kid who was disgusted that the SMH had given away the code, mentioned another one, called Tutney, in use in Armidale in the 1930s. Do any of those ring a bell, Aoziwe? RebeccaGreen ( talk) 05:59, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- No they don't. But good finds it seems. Perhaps we should be writing a new article
Children's secret languages in Australia, in which Alibi is included and redirected to? I have now also found these:
- "A Secret Language!". The Sun. New South Wales, Australia. 18 December 1938. p. 3 (SUNBEAMS SUPPLEMENT). Retrieved 11 January 2020 – via Trove.
- "THE SECRET LANGUAGE OF CHILDHOOD". Leader. Victoria, Australia. 29 October 1898. p. 34. Retrieved 11 January 2020 – via Trove.
- "CATCH-AS-CATCH-CAN". The Sun. New South Wales, Australia. 6 April 1930. p. 2 (SUPPLEMENT TO THE SUNBEAMS). Retrieved 11 January 2020 – via Trove.
- Aoziwe ( talk) 09:22, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- No they don't. But good finds it seems. Perhaps we should be writing a new article
Children's secret languages in Australia, in which Alibi is included and redirected to? I have now also found these:
- Comment (nom here), a big thankyou to Aoziwe and RebeccaGreen for all their work on this, i fully support a "catchall" article for these secret children's languages with Alibi being included. Coolabahapple ( talk) 01:01, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
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Coolabahapple - abah ==> "Coolapple" ?
Aoziwe (
talk)
10:34, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- LOL Aoziwe, i do like my apples cool (and crunchy:)), balibiut thalibiats nalibit alibiit. Coolabahapple ( talk) 04:04, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
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Coolabahapple - abah ==> "Coolapple" ?
Aoziwe (
talk)
10:34, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note to closing admin. This looks like it is heading to keep the content but remove the article for the time being at least. Perhaps you might consider userfying to a sub page under User:Aoziwe/sandbox, or perhaps similar for RebeccaGreen if they are agreeable, and one of us can get to the new article soon? Aoziwe ( talk) 10:31, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Move to draft space. Opinion here is split between straight deletion and covering this topic in a broader-scoped article. The move to draft space allows those who are interested in it to try the latter. Sandstein 21:56, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Alibi (language game)
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- Alibi (language game) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Does not meet WP:GNG, this article was created in 2010 by a user who only did this, never has had any references. Although this is not necessarily an issue a gsearch brings up nothing about this (excluding sites that mirror this wikiarticle), apart from the role playing game Alibi, that involves people taking on the role of criminals and police, and this entry from the Macquarie Dictionary which adds the letters 'ullab' after the 1st syllable of each word (which probably isn't notable either). Coolabahapple ( talk) 10:44, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 10:46, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 10:46, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 10:46, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
- Delete I was surprised actually but I could not find anything to demonstate notability, or even that it existed other than the same one found by NOM, because I can remember "playing" this "game" when I was about 11/12/13 years old. We used a different replacement/insert syllable though I think, and I do not recall having a name for the "game". I was going to suggest a redirect to Cant (language), ie cryptolanguage, but I think the single almost nothing reference from Macquarie is not enough to support even one sentence there. Itaf atanyone catan fitand atany retaferences atat atall Ita wotauld beta intaterested. Aoziwe ( talk) 12:58, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment This is a real thing, eg Gibberish (language game), and see, eg, this. But I cannot find any "Australian" context reference. Aoziwe ( talk) 13:09, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
- Delete trivial content, not encylopdic. Teraplane ( talk) 23:14, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 07:15, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment, have just added this afd to the education afd list as editors with expertise/experience with pedagogy may have come across the game? Coolabahapple ( talk) 07:17, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
deleteI'm unable to source this at all. Hobit ( talk) 06:09, 7 January 2020 (UTC)- I agree, a catchall article on the topic (secret child languages of Australia?) appears to be where this belongs. At the moment, no such article exists, so perhaps the Language game is the right merge target. So merge but I don't know to where. Hobit ( talk) 00:09, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- Merge to Language game, which has a table of language games in different languages - 13 are listed for English, but not this one, yet. That article also needs additional sources, but the Macquarie Dictionary source which the nom found would be sufficient for including this game in the table (blogs are not usually reliable, but official blogs of museums, dictionaries, etc, can be). RebeccaGreen ( talk) 05:00, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To comment on the merger proposal.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 15:41, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: To comment on the merger proposal.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 15:41, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Article contains no references at all. Topic is obscure and of little interest. Teraplane ( talk) 00:22, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I would not object to a merge but I do think the only reference available is extremely weak and still favour delete. Aoziwe ( talk) 02:37, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I have found another reference, an article in the Sydney Morning Herald by Richard Glover, 'Kids' secret language: how to craliback the code' (16 June 1990) [1]. I will clip it when I can. It also mentions Arp and Nash as other secret languages. A letter to the editor, in response to one from a kid who was disgusted that the SMH had given away the code, mentioned another one, called Tutney, in use in Armidale in the 1930s. Do any of those ring a bell, Aoziwe? RebeccaGreen ( talk) 05:59, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- No they don't. But good finds it seems. Perhaps we should be writing a new article
Children's secret languages in Australia, in which Alibi is included and redirected to? I have now also found these:
- "A Secret Language!". The Sun. New South Wales, Australia. 18 December 1938. p. 3 (SUNBEAMS SUPPLEMENT). Retrieved 11 January 2020 – via Trove.
- "THE SECRET LANGUAGE OF CHILDHOOD". Leader. Victoria, Australia. 29 October 1898. p. 34. Retrieved 11 January 2020 – via Trove.
- "CATCH-AS-CATCH-CAN". The Sun. New South Wales, Australia. 6 April 1930. p. 2 (SUPPLEMENT TO THE SUNBEAMS). Retrieved 11 January 2020 – via Trove.
- Aoziwe ( talk) 09:22, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- No they don't. But good finds it seems. Perhaps we should be writing a new article
Children's secret languages in Australia, in which Alibi is included and redirected to? I have now also found these:
- Comment (nom here), a big thankyou to Aoziwe and RebeccaGreen for all their work on this, i fully support a "catchall" article for these secret children's languages with Alibi being included. Coolabahapple ( talk) 01:01, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
-
Coolabahapple - abah ==> "Coolapple" ?
Aoziwe (
talk)
10:34, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- LOL Aoziwe, i do like my apples cool (and crunchy:)), balibiut thalibiats nalibit alibiit. Coolabahapple ( talk) 04:04, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
-
Coolabahapple - abah ==> "Coolapple" ?
Aoziwe (
talk)
10:34, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- Note to closing admin. This looks like it is heading to keep the content but remove the article for the time being at least. Perhaps you might consider userfying to a sub page under User:Aoziwe/sandbox, or perhaps similar for RebeccaGreen if they are agreeable, and one of us can get to the new article soon? Aoziwe ( talk) 10:31, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.