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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 19:00, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
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Fails WP:SOLDIER. Not notable unfortunately and WP is not a memorial Gbawden ( talk) 07:22, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 08:08, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:SOLDIER. Mztourist ( talk) 10:21, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep meets
WP:SOLDIER. Jamesallain85 14:21, 11 December 2019 (UTC) His submarine on his last patrol sank the Sakito Maru, which wiped out more than ⅔ of the Imperial Japanese 18th Infantry Regiment. He was also well decorated, while not with the Navy Cross, his awards looked it in context speaks to his notoriety. He one of only two commanders of the USS Trout, and it is my opinion that he meets the burden. — Preceding
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- Which of the 8 criteria specified in SOLDIER do you think that satisfies? He didn't receive the Medal of Honor or multiple Navy Crosses (1); the sinking of Sakito Maru wasn't a significant event (4); and Trout wasn't a capital ship (5). Mztourist ( talk) 14:30, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- How is eliminating the best part of a regiment not significant?
TheLongTone (
talk)
12:53, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
- Although the sinking caused thousands of deaths, resulting in the sinking of the ship commanded by the subject of this AfD, it is not a significant battle in the
Pacific War. Therefore it fails criteria #4 of SOLDIER. If one can show that the sinking meets
WP:EVENT, then write that article, and then argue that this article should become a redirect to that article per BIO1E.--
RightCowLeftCoast (
Moo)
00:59, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- He meets the standards of SOLDIER "It is important to note that a person who does not meet the criteria mentioned above is not necessarily non-notable; ultimately, this determination must be made based on the availability of significant coverage in independent, secondary sources. For example, Teddy Sheean, despite having only received a relatively low-level military decoration, is notable per the guidance set out in the WP:GNG due to the level of coverage he has received in reliable sources." I have listed several sources and can list more if needed. How much notoriety must one achieve?
- Although the sinking caused thousands of deaths, resulting in the sinking of the ship commanded by the subject of this AfD, it is not a significant battle in the
Pacific War. Therefore it fails criteria #4 of SOLDIER. If one can show that the sinking meets
WP:EVENT, then write that article, and then argue that this article should become a redirect to that article per BIO1E.--
RightCowLeftCoast (
Moo)
00:59, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- How is eliminating the best part of a regiment not significant?
TheLongTone (
talk)
12:53, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete does not meet any of the actual soldier notability criteria. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:35, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep meets WP:MILPEOPLE#5 as the commander of a submarine he also played an important role in a campaign WP:SOLDIER#4 The article should be developed with sources. Wm335td ( talk) 20:14, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete; subject of article does not meet WP:SOLDIER. A diesel attack submarine is not considered a capital ship, therefore he fails Criteria 5 of SOLIDER. The sinking of a transport ship is not considered a major battle or military campaign, therefore he fails Criteria 4 of SOLDIER. The ship he commanded was only one of hundreds of submarines that participated in Allied submarines in the Pacific War. No single event of the actions of the subject had received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources, therefore I cannot presently recommend this article being changed into a redirect per BIO1E. That is not to say that the subject of the article did not serve honorably, and that his service and death while in uniformed shouldn't be remembered, but it won't be on Wikipedia.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( Moo) 02:09, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 19:00, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
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Fails WP:SOLDIER. Not notable unfortunately and WP is not a memorial Gbawden ( talk) 07:22, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 08:08, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:SOLDIER. Mztourist ( talk) 10:21, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep meets
WP:SOLDIER. Jamesallain85 14:21, 11 December 2019 (UTC) His submarine on his last patrol sank the Sakito Maru, which wiped out more than ⅔ of the Imperial Japanese 18th Infantry Regiment. He was also well decorated, while not with the Navy Cross, his awards looked it in context speaks to his notoriety. He one of only two commanders of the USS Trout, and it is my opinion that he meets the burden. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Jamesallain85 (
talk •
contribs)
- Which of the 8 criteria specified in SOLDIER do you think that satisfies? He didn't receive the Medal of Honor or multiple Navy Crosses (1); the sinking of Sakito Maru wasn't a significant event (4); and Trout wasn't a capital ship (5). Mztourist ( talk) 14:30, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- How is eliminating the best part of a regiment not significant?
TheLongTone (
talk)
12:53, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
- Although the sinking caused thousands of deaths, resulting in the sinking of the ship commanded by the subject of this AfD, it is not a significant battle in the
Pacific War. Therefore it fails criteria #4 of SOLDIER. If one can show that the sinking meets
WP:EVENT, then write that article, and then argue that this article should become a redirect to that article per BIO1E.--
RightCowLeftCoast (
Moo)
00:59, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- He meets the standards of SOLDIER "It is important to note that a person who does not meet the criteria mentioned above is not necessarily non-notable; ultimately, this determination must be made based on the availability of significant coverage in independent, secondary sources. For example, Teddy Sheean, despite having only received a relatively low-level military decoration, is notable per the guidance set out in the WP:GNG due to the level of coverage he has received in reliable sources." I have listed several sources and can list more if needed. How much notoriety must one achieve?
- Although the sinking caused thousands of deaths, resulting in the sinking of the ship commanded by the subject of this AfD, it is not a significant battle in the
Pacific War. Therefore it fails criteria #4 of SOLDIER. If one can show that the sinking meets
WP:EVENT, then write that article, and then argue that this article should become a redirect to that article per BIO1E.--
RightCowLeftCoast (
Moo)
00:59, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- How is eliminating the best part of a regiment not significant?
TheLongTone (
talk)
12:53, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete does not meet any of the actual soldier notability criteria. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:35, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- Keep meets WP:MILPEOPLE#5 as the commander of a submarine he also played an important role in a campaign WP:SOLDIER#4 The article should be developed with sources. Wm335td ( talk) 20:14, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
- Delete; subject of article does not meet WP:SOLDIER. A diesel attack submarine is not considered a capital ship, therefore he fails Criteria 5 of SOLIDER. The sinking of a transport ship is not considered a major battle or military campaign, therefore he fails Criteria 4 of SOLDIER. The ship he commanded was only one of hundreds of submarines that participated in Allied submarines in the Pacific War. No single event of the actions of the subject had received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources, therefore I cannot presently recommend this article being changed into a redirect per BIO1E. That is not to say that the subject of the article did not serve honorably, and that his service and death while in uniformed shouldn't be remembered, but it won't be on Wikipedia.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( Moo) 02:09, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.