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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 03:38, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
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A short, unremarkable street in Lower Manhattan with no notable features mentioned by the article or resources like the New York Times. Sounder Bruce 23:35, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Has an entry in Moscow's The Street Book. More could be written about the city/church extension controversy. Station1 ( talk) 00:23, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 01:13, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:24, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Contrary to what the the nominee says, a brief trawl through the New York Times throws up dozens of articles between 1853 and 1858 on the Albany Street Extension controversy alone. There's no set criteria for notability for streets other than WP:GNG and the street certainly gets enough WP:SECONDARY coverage to merit its own article. Fiachra10003 ( talk) 20:29, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Non-notable street. A controversy in the 1850s about extending it is hardly significant. Without a substantive reason of some kind of significance (political, social, cultural, etc.), a local road is just an instance of WP:MILL. MB 02:55, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per User:Fiachra10003: Notability is not temporary. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 04:44, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Keep, per Station1 and Fiacha10003 and Michael Bednarek. Small parks and short streets in core areas of major cities are notable. -- do ncr am 00:19, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: Small parks and short streets in core areas of major cities are not exempt from GNG! MB 15:38, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - Several of the NYC street articles created by the same editor have indeed been non-notable (see Commerce Street (Manhattan) and Cornelia Street for instance), and I have counseled him to use better judgment in his article creations [1], but I think this street is just over the borderline into notability. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 22:05, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Incidentally, regardless of my !vote, and pace Station1, an entry in Moscow, or in Fierstein's Naming New York, for that matter, does not indicate notability, as they are both intended to be comprehensive listings of all named streets in Manhattan -- and I think it goes without saying that not all named streets in the borough are inherently notable. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 00:21, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete Nothing about this street to meet GNG, just being in a major city and a small 'controversy' in the 1850s isn't enough for notability. Rcsprinter123 (discuss) 14:08, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. There are very good reasons for assuming that almost all streets in the centres of major cities should be considered notable. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
13:41, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Even a one-block stub in the suburban reaches of Jacksonville? Or a small alley in the middle of Witchita? You can't make every street notable, or else we'll have a bloat problem on our hands.
Sounder
Bruce
14:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- I wouldn't refer to Jacksonville or Wichita as major cities! Not in a world context (which is what I was referring to; but to clarify, national capitals and cities like New York that have similar world status). Neither did I say every street in the city (I said in the city centre). Neither did I mention alleys. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:42, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Even a one-block stub in the suburban reaches of Jacksonville? Or a small alley in the middle of Witchita? You can't make every street notable, or else we'll have a bloat problem on our hands.
Sounder
Bruce
14:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Several Manhattan streets are not notable. This is not one of them. Even though being listed in a book doesn't necessarily indicate notability, Albany Street has historical importance, as proven by the recent article additions by Beyond My Ken. Even short, historically important streets like Doyers Street can have articles since notability is not temporary. epicgenius ( talk) 15:51, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 03:38, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
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A short, unremarkable street in Lower Manhattan with no notable features mentioned by the article or resources like the New York Times. Sounder Bruce 23:35, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Has an entry in Moscow's The Street Book. More could be written about the city/church extension controversy. Station1 ( talk) 00:23, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 01:13, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 01:13, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:24, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 01:24, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Contrary to what the the nominee says, a brief trawl through the New York Times throws up dozens of articles between 1853 and 1858 on the Albany Street Extension controversy alone. There's no set criteria for notability for streets other than WP:GNG and the street certainly gets enough WP:SECONDARY coverage to merit its own article. Fiachra10003 ( talk) 20:29, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Non-notable street. A controversy in the 1850s about extending it is hardly significant. Without a substantive reason of some kind of significance (political, social, cultural, etc.), a local road is just an instance of WP:MILL. MB 02:55, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per User:Fiachra10003: Notability is not temporary. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 04:44, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 00:30, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 00:30, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep, per Station1 and Fiacha10003 and Michael Bednarek. Small parks and short streets in core areas of major cities are notable. -- do ncr am 00:19, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: Small parks and short streets in core areas of major cities are not exempt from GNG! MB 15:38, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - Several of the NYC street articles created by the same editor have indeed been non-notable (see Commerce Street (Manhattan) and Cornelia Street for instance), and I have counseled him to use better judgment in his article creations [1], but I think this street is just over the borderline into notability. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 22:05, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Incidentally, regardless of my !vote, and pace Station1, an entry in Moscow, or in Fierstein's Naming New York, for that matter, does not indicate notability, as they are both intended to be comprehensive listings of all named streets in Manhattan -- and I think it goes without saying that not all named streets in the borough are inherently notable. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 00:21, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 03:25, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Nothing about this street to meet GNG, just being in a major city and a small 'controversy' in the 1850s isn't enough for notability. Rcsprinter123 (discuss) 14:08, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. There are very good reasons for assuming that almost all streets in the centres of major cities should be considered notable. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
13:41, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Even a one-block stub in the suburban reaches of Jacksonville? Or a small alley in the middle of Witchita? You can't make every street notable, or else we'll have a bloat problem on our hands.
Sounder
Bruce
14:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- I wouldn't refer to Jacksonville or Wichita as major cities! Not in a world context (which is what I was referring to; but to clarify, national capitals and cities like New York that have similar world status). Neither did I say every street in the city (I said in the city centre). Neither did I mention alleys. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:42, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Even a one-block stub in the suburban reaches of Jacksonville? Or a small alley in the middle of Witchita? You can't make every street notable, or else we'll have a bloat problem on our hands.
Sounder
Bruce
14:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Several Manhattan streets are not notable. This is not one of them. Even though being listed in a book doesn't necessarily indicate notability, Albany Street has historical importance, as proven by the recent article additions by Beyond My Ken. Even short, historically important streets like Doyers Street can have articles since notability is not temporary. epicgenius ( talk) 15:51, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
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