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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) B E C K Y S A Y L E S 00:34, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Alan Milliken Heisey Sr.
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Biography of a politician and writer, making no strong claim of notability for either endeavour. His political career mostly boils down to unsuccessful candidacies for political office, as well as a term on the municipal council of a suburban borough which is not in the narrow range of global cities whose municipal councillors are granted an automatic WP:NPOL pass. The municipal council work, further, is summarized "won in 1976 and then lost in 1980", with no content about anything he actually did in that office (it actually says more about his successor's term on council than it does about his) — so his failure to satisfy NPOL is not counterbalanced by enough content or sourcing to claim WP:GNG instead. And his work as a writer is referenced entirely to WP:PRIMARYSOURCES — the "source" for his book is the book's own publication details rather than any media coverage, the "source" for his work as a newspaper publisher is the newspaper he was the publisher of, and on and so forth — with no evidence that he garnered any independent coverage or passed WP:CREATIVE for any of it. And beyond that, we're left with some genealogy coatracking about a few semi-notable ancestors and a son, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED either. It might be possible to write a substantive and well-sourced article about him, so no prejudice against recreation in the future if that actually happens — but as currently written, this is little more than a generic obituary which doesn't demonstrate that the subject belongs in an encyclopedia. Delete. Bearcat ( talk) 07:57, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
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Unionville ( talk) 20:00, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
- "Keep" Disagree about the suburban borough pitch North York population at amalgamation was 500,000 plus just behind the old City of Toronto pre amalgamation with the old City of North York it would have qualified as a global city or the old city of toronto wouldn't qualify either preamalgamation His 2 terms on North york council as an alderman qualify as notable in and of itself I agree with your other critiques and have dropped most of the content His book was cited in several independent sources on the net - 2 references have now been provided He was described by a columnist in 1976 as Canada's leading anti nationalist in an important daily Canadian newspaper , the Ottawa Citizen the reference is provided Free trade was opposed by most conventional thinking in Canada in the 60's and 70's The free trade debate was highly controversial in Canada for over 20 years during the 60s-70s Hope you reconsider your nomination for deletion 19:45, 3 January 2015 (UTC) Unionville HIs recognized role in this major issue in Canadian Political life constitutes notability in my view — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unionville ( talk • contribs) 19:46, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
- Delete The subject is a local councilmember. Amalgamation of Toronto did not occur until 1998, and the subject was out of office in 1980. I do not think that inheritance of Toronto being a world-class city is transferable to council members of the (former) suburban cities of Toronto. I agree with Bearcat that it might be possible to create a substantive encyclopedia article about the subject, but at this point fails to meet WP:Politician. -- Enos733 ( talk) 20:28, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep - here's case where rigid application of the rules gets in the way of building a better encyclopedia. Here we have a well-sourced article about someone who has several accomplishments that together make this article worth keeping -- city councillor, federal candidate, fringe mayoral candidate, published author. Wikipedia would not be improved by deleting this article. Ground Zero | t 11:33, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - Heisey Sr. published a book challenging nationalism and was a commentator on nationalism in Canadian mainstream media. Wikipedia entry for Canadian Nationalism provides a "further reading" list to which I have added his book. The list does not offer other examples of works criticizing Canadian Nationalism and advocating trade liberalization contemporary to their time. Being a proponent of that view, at that time, is what makes this subject notable. FlettIan ( talk) 16:31, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
- Keep The article establishes the notability of the man as an author with a number of contemporary, independent and reliable sources, some of them scholarly. As an author alone, the bio is notable. By the way, the entry on Canadian Nationalism mentioned by User:FlettIan is here Canadian_nationalism#Further_reading Canadian Nationalism Nubeli ( talk) 19:49, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - sourcing is sufficient to establish notability under the GNG. Coverage, not accomplishments, is the primary definition of notability so failing NPOL, for example, is not relevant. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 02:51, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - it is clear that Alan Milliken Heisey Sr. is notable and accomplished. Deleting the page does a disservice to Wikipedia. His accomplishments as an author, politician and activist demand recognition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myersphmlaw ( talk • contribs) 21:52, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
- Note: this is the only edit made by this new editor. Ground Zero | t 22:43, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) B E C K Y S A Y L E S 00:34, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Alan Milliken Heisey Sr.
- Alan Milliken Heisey Sr. ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Biography of a politician and writer, making no strong claim of notability for either endeavour. His political career mostly boils down to unsuccessful candidacies for political office, as well as a term on the municipal council of a suburban borough which is not in the narrow range of global cities whose municipal councillors are granted an automatic WP:NPOL pass. The municipal council work, further, is summarized "won in 1976 and then lost in 1980", with no content about anything he actually did in that office (it actually says more about his successor's term on council than it does about his) — so his failure to satisfy NPOL is not counterbalanced by enough content or sourcing to claim WP:GNG instead. And his work as a writer is referenced entirely to WP:PRIMARYSOURCES — the "source" for his book is the book's own publication details rather than any media coverage, the "source" for his work as a newspaper publisher is the newspaper he was the publisher of, and on and so forth — with no evidence that he garnered any independent coverage or passed WP:CREATIVE for any of it. And beyond that, we're left with some genealogy coatracking about a few semi-notable ancestors and a son, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED either. It might be possible to write a substantive and well-sourced article about him, so no prejudice against recreation in the future if that actually happens — but as currently written, this is little more than a generic obituary which doesn't demonstrate that the subject belongs in an encyclopedia. Delete. Bearcat ( talk) 07:57, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Bearcat ( talk) 08:11, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat ( talk) 08:11, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Bearcat ( talk) 08:11, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica 1000 16:04, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Unionville ( talk) 20:00, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
- "Keep" Disagree about the suburban borough pitch North York population at amalgamation was 500,000 plus just behind the old City of Toronto pre amalgamation with the old City of North York it would have qualified as a global city or the old city of toronto wouldn't qualify either preamalgamation His 2 terms on North york council as an alderman qualify as notable in and of itself I agree with your other critiques and have dropped most of the content His book was cited in several independent sources on the net - 2 references have now been provided He was described by a columnist in 1976 as Canada's leading anti nationalist in an important daily Canadian newspaper , the Ottawa Citizen the reference is provided Free trade was opposed by most conventional thinking in Canada in the 60's and 70's The free trade debate was highly controversial in Canada for over 20 years during the 60s-70s Hope you reconsider your nomination for deletion 19:45, 3 January 2015 (UTC) Unionville HIs recognized role in this major issue in Canadian Political life constitutes notability in my view — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unionville ( talk • contribs) 19:46, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
- Delete The subject is a local councilmember. Amalgamation of Toronto did not occur until 1998, and the subject was out of office in 1980. I do not think that inheritance of Toronto being a world-class city is transferable to council members of the (former) suburban cities of Toronto. I agree with Bearcat that it might be possible to create a substantive encyclopedia article about the subject, but at this point fails to meet WP:Politician. -- Enos733 ( talk) 20:28, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 02:56, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - here's case where rigid application of the rules gets in the way of building a better encyclopedia. Here we have a well-sourced article about someone who has several accomplishments that together make this article worth keeping -- city councillor, federal candidate, fringe mayoral candidate, published author. Wikipedia would not be improved by deleting this article. Ground Zero | t 11:33, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - Heisey Sr. published a book challenging nationalism and was a commentator on nationalism in Canadian mainstream media. Wikipedia entry for Canadian Nationalism provides a "further reading" list to which I have added his book. The list does not offer other examples of works criticizing Canadian Nationalism and advocating trade liberalization contemporary to their time. Being a proponent of that view, at that time, is what makes this subject notable. FlettIan ( talk) 16:31, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
- Keep The article establishes the notability of the man as an author with a number of contemporary, independent and reliable sources, some of them scholarly. As an author alone, the bio is notable. By the way, the entry on Canadian Nationalism mentioned by User:FlettIan is here Canadian_nationalism#Further_reading Canadian Nationalism Nubeli ( talk) 19:49, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - sourcing is sufficient to establish notability under the GNG. Coverage, not accomplishments, is the primary definition of notability so failing NPOL, for example, is not relevant. -- ThaddeusB ( talk) 02:51, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - it is clear that Alan Milliken Heisey Sr. is notable and accomplished. Deleting the page does a disservice to Wikipedia. His accomplishments as an author, politician and activist demand recognition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myersphmlaw ( talk • contribs) 21:52, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
- Note: this is the only edit made by this new editor. Ground Zero | t 22:43, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
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