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The result was delete. The consensus is that at the moment, he des not meet the notability criteria. If he is successful in running for a Senate seat, his notability at that time can be taken into consideration for re-creating the article. PhantomSteve/ talk| contribs\ 15:14, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Al Giordano
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Lacks notablity. Lacks citations for almost everything stated in the article Underdog456 ( talk) 03:43, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
- Note As per WP:BEFORE, can you please post in this discussion a discription of the minimum search you preformed (Google Books search, a Google News search, and a Google News archive search; Google Scholar is suggested for academic subjects, etc.) prior to this articles nomination for deletion and post same here in a note? Thanks. Picomtn ( talk) 13:10, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
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https://www.google.com/#q=al+giordano If you search google, there's an unverified Twitter, his own website, and references to an Al Giordano who was fired from Wounded Warrior embezzling money, but there's no reason to think it's the same person. Google scholar has nothing on him. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=al+giordano&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C14&as_sdtp= — Preceding unsigned comment added by Underdog456 ( talk • contribs) 00:43, 29 April 2016 (UTC) As for references, there is one article by him, and one article that briefly mentions him. If we strip the article down to what we have sources for, we have: "In September 2007, Giordano wrote an article in the Boston Phoenix describing how Barack Obama would overtake then frontrunner Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination.[1] Vanity Fair commented that "[t]he first to grasp the portent of what was taking shape was the prophet of the Obama paradigm shift, the journalist/activist/online editor/blogger Al Giordano, who, as a student of the teachings and tactics of community organizer Saul Alinsky (whose Rules for Radicals is the guerrilla guide for domestic insurgents), divined the advantage that Obama’s small-donor base gave him against old-school juggernauts."[2]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Underdog456 ( talk • contribs) 00:52, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as still questionable for better applicable notability improvements such as for WP:CREATIVE, not yet convincing of keeping if this can't be amply improved. SwisterTwister talk 00:04, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Onel5969 TT me 13:53, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
KeepHi @ SwisterTwister: (cc @ Amatulic: @ Bearcat:)I've changed this article to a stub, rewritten the lead and added references (and some minor cleanup) so that it now meets WP:Basic, but it does need some more work. However, due to the serious allegations made against the person, and as they relate to BLP, I'm not sure how to proceed and could use some guidance.Thanks. Picomtn ( talk) 12:56, 4 May 2016 (UTC)- Note Hi @ SwisterTwister: (cc @ Amatulic: @ Bearcat:) I just undid all my edits for this article due to my confusing two different people with the same name. Which brings up the question, the person with this articles same name that I wrote about and referenced meets WP:Basic, but, if this person doesn't, can this article just be changed to reflect the person I researched? Or should a new article be written? Thanks. Picomtn ( talk) 13:16, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete I found references to him with narco news, but not in reliable sources (just fringy web pages). Like many journalists, he writes about topics, but no one writes about him. I don't know what that means about GNG policies, but he does not currently meet the criteria. LaMona ( talk) 00:04, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - The site may be notable, but he does not inherit notability because of that. The biography section is completely unsourced, and using articles the subject has written as the only sources in the article doesn't pass RS. MSJapan ( talk) 01:24, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - per above notability concerns. That being said, he is as of today running for a Vermont Senate seat, so this might change back in the near-enough future. Buggie111 ( talk) 03:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. The consensus is that at the moment, he des not meet the notability criteria. If he is successful in running for a Senate seat, his notability at that time can be taken into consideration for re-creating the article. PhantomSteve/ talk| contribs\ 15:14, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Al Giordano
- Al Giordano ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Lacks notablity. Lacks citations for almost everything stated in the article Underdog456 ( talk) 03:43, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
- Note As per WP:BEFORE, can you please post in this discussion a discription of the minimum search you preformed (Google Books search, a Google News search, and a Google News archive search; Google Scholar is suggested for academic subjects, etc.) prior to this articles nomination for deletion and post same here in a note? Thanks. Picomtn ( talk) 13:10, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 00:37, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 00:37, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
https://www.google.com/#q=al+giordano If you search google, there's an unverified Twitter, his own website, and references to an Al Giordano who was fired from Wounded Warrior embezzling money, but there's no reason to think it's the same person. Google scholar has nothing on him. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=al+giordano&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C14&as_sdtp= — Preceding unsigned comment added by Underdog456 ( talk • contribs) 00:43, 29 April 2016 (UTC) As for references, there is one article by him, and one article that briefly mentions him. If we strip the article down to what we have sources for, we have: "In September 2007, Giordano wrote an article in the Boston Phoenix describing how Barack Obama would overtake then frontrunner Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination.[1] Vanity Fair commented that "[t]he first to grasp the portent of what was taking shape was the prophet of the Obama paradigm shift, the journalist/activist/online editor/blogger Al Giordano, who, as a student of the teachings and tactics of community organizer Saul Alinsky (whose Rules for Radicals is the guerrilla guide for domestic insurgents), divined the advantage that Obama’s small-donor base gave him against old-school juggernauts."[2]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Underdog456 ( talk • contribs) 00:52, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as still questionable for better applicable notability improvements such as for WP:CREATIVE, not yet convincing of keeping if this can't be amply improved. SwisterTwister talk 00:04, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Onel5969 TT me 13:53, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
KeepHi @ SwisterTwister: (cc @ Amatulic: @ Bearcat:)I've changed this article to a stub, rewritten the lead and added references (and some minor cleanup) so that it now meets WP:Basic, but it does need some more work. However, due to the serious allegations made against the person, and as they relate to BLP, I'm not sure how to proceed and could use some guidance.Thanks. Picomtn ( talk) 12:56, 4 May 2016 (UTC)- Note Hi @ SwisterTwister: (cc @ Amatulic: @ Bearcat:) I just undid all my edits for this article due to my confusing two different people with the same name. Which brings up the question, the person with this articles same name that I wrote about and referenced meets WP:Basic, but, if this person doesn't, can this article just be changed to reflect the person I researched? Or should a new article be written? Thanks. Picomtn ( talk) 13:16, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete I found references to him with narco news, but not in reliable sources (just fringy web pages). Like many journalists, he writes about topics, but no one writes about him. I don't know what that means about GNG policies, but he does not currently meet the criteria. LaMona ( talk) 00:04, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - The site may be notable, but he does not inherit notability because of that. The biography section is completely unsourced, and using articles the subject has written as the only sources in the article doesn't pass RS. MSJapan ( talk) 01:24, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - per above notability concerns. That being said, he is as of today running for a Vermont Senate seat, so this might change back in the near-enough future. Buggie111 ( talk) 03:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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