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The result was keep. SarahStierch ( talk) 01:08, 23 November 2013 (UTC) reply

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Autobiographical article with no references except IMDb. In a Google News Archive search I found many mentions of his work as a producer, but nothing substantial. Pretty much all of the biographical information is unverified Original Research. I believe he does not meet our notability standards. MelanieN ( talk) 00:23, 14 November 2013 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:33, 14 November 2013 (UTC) reply

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• Keep - One Primetime and 3 Daytime Emmy Award nominations is good enough for inclusion even if the nominations were shared as "Producers" rarely get singular nominations..-- Stemoc ( talk) 01:43, 14 November 2013 (UTC) reply
• Delete unless better sourced. Although the subject may have the awards cited by Stemoc, they are not attributed to reliable sources. Robert McClenon ( talk) 02:21, 14 November 2013 (UTC) reply
• Keep - Move to Al Schwartz (producer), strip out the cruft. one, two, three (full), four, five, six (Schwartz named to the board of Chicago's Museum of Broadcast Communications), seven (full), [1], etc. Information about his Doublemint Twin wife Jayne: [2] [3]. -- Jreferee ( talk) 02:51, 14 November 2013 (UTC) reply
• Comment OK, some of those sources look promising. And I did find a listing for an Al Schwartz, "also known as Harry Tessi", married to Jayne Boyd; this must be our subject. (There are multiple Al Schwartzes listed at that site.) It lists him with three daytime and one primetime Emmy nominations. [4] Maybe we can clean up this article. I have been contacted by the subject asking for help; if the article can be fixed I will fix it and withdraw the nomination. (Not going that far at this point.) -- MelanieN ( talk) 03:04, 14 November 2013 (UTC) reply

• Keep - This subject passes WP:BASIC. Source examples include: [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]. Northamerica1000 ^(talk) 03:10, 14 November 2013 (UTC) reply

Gotta be careful. Some of those sources are for the earlier Al Schwartz, who was also a writer and producer, but died in 1988. [11] -- MelanieN ( talk) 03:13, 14 November 2013 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the information. I've struck one of the sources in my !vote. After a careful review, the remaining sources appear to be about this subject. Northamerica1000 ^(talk) 03:18, 14 November 2013 (UTC) reply

• Withdraw Wow, great cleanup job, Jreferee! Still need to get the Emmys into the lead, and add additional references like those you supplied above, but there is no question at this point that he is notable. -- MelanieN ( talk) 15:03, 14 November 2013 (UTC) reply
• Question How should it be renamed? The current format is not acceptable. The trouble with adding (producer) is that the earlier Al Schwartz (1910-1988) was also a producer as well as a writer. Any thoughts? -- MelanieN ( talk) 15:03, 14 November 2013 (UTC) reply
• Move Al (Allen) Schwartz to Al Schwartz (producer), move Al Schwartz to Al Schwartz (writer) and make Al Schwartz a DAB page having

• A. R. Schwartz (not sure if A means "Al". need to confirm) Turns out his name was Aaron
• Al Schwartz (producer)
• Al Schwartz (writer)
• Alan R. Schwartz, lawyer
• Alan Schwartz, executive
• Albert Schwartz, swimmer
• Allen G. Schwartz, judge
• Aloysius Schwartz, priest
• Alvin Schwartz (children's author)
• Alvin Schwartz (comics)
• make Alvin Schwartz DAB page redirect to Al Schwartz DAB

Link to Schwartz (surname) from DAB page Al Schwartz. -- Jreferee ( talk) 16:38, 14 November 2013 (UTC) reply

OK, this is a good plan. I did a little more research and found that the earlier Al Schwartz was primarily a screenwriter and only occasionally a producer or director - whereas the current subject was almost entirely a producer. (I added info to the earlier guy's article to make that clearer.) So these designations are accurate and I support them. -- MelanieN ( talk) 18:45, 14 November 2013 (UTC) reply

Turns out the earlier Al Schwartz (the writer) was named Albert and the current subject (the producer) is named Allen. We could make those the article titles, but I don't think it would be a helpful identification since both were universally known as Al. Besides, there is already an article about another Albert Schwartz. Those Schwartzes sure are notable! -- MelanieN ( talk) 20:46, 15 November 2013 (UTC) reply

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