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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 08:40, 16 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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Only notable role is title character Tsubasa Ozora from Captain Tsubasa. Delete or redirect to Tsubasa Ozora. Sk8erPrince ( talk) 10:59, 8 December 2016 (UTC) _{Note to reader:This user is now tbanned from these discussions please don't respond to them directly as they can not reply and it could possibly be triggering for them. -- Adam in MO Talk 04:05, 16 December 2016 (UTC)} reply

• Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log ( step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2016 December 8. — ^{cyberbot I} _{Talk to my owner:Online} 11:23, 8 December 2016 (UTC) reply

At a glance this could have been safely redirected boldly. I'm not sure the afd was necessary. SephyTheThird ( talk) 13:29, 8 December 2016 (UTC) reply

I'd much rather the consensus decides what to do with the article, to be honest. Bold redirects isn't my thing - nomming articles for deletion is, however. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 15:48, 8 December 2016 (UTC) reply

I already told you though that a redirect isn't the same thing as deletion. With the click of an "Undo" button by someone who has new referenced info/ect... the article is back to the way it was. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 14:49, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Yeah, if that were to happen, I'd place a speedy deletion tag. An article that has shown next to no improvement from the last deleted copy meets the criteria for speedy deletion. Doesn't matter how many times people wish to redirect it. I'll just redo the speedy deletion process over and over again until they learn they must improve the article, first. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 15:48, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Again a redirect isn't a deletion so WP:CSD wouldn't apply. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 16:52, 9 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Yeah, it would. If people revert the redirect without making any improvements to the article, then that's definitely grounds for speedy deletion. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 04:02, 10 December 2016 (UTC) reply

You are completely wrong about that. That is fractally wrong. There are multitude of reasons to revert a redirect and not make improvements. Preparations for a merge, research etc. Perhaps just a belief that the article redirect should be discussed per the brd cycle.-- Adam in MO Talk 10:03, 11 December 2016 (UTC) reply

(sigh) You are clearly clueless about WP:G4. What I've mentioned above is exactly what G4 is. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 01:34, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

That isn't even close to G4. A redirect doesn't constitute a deletion. You have been told this several times. CIR seems to be an issue here.-- Adam in MO Talk 03:16, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

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• She also voice Hikaru in the Kimagure Orange Road OVAs. That's about as "main character" as you can get since the character is one of three main characters. Keep due to voicing two main characters. ··· 日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:16, 10 December 2016 (UTC) reply

I suggest that you look into the subject and sources again. Akari has only voiced as Hikaru in ONE Shonen Jump special for the Orange Road series. The special was aired before the main series, which spanned for 48 episodes. That isn't our idea of notability. All subsequent Orange Road media was voiced by Eriko Hara. There is an 8 EP OVA series, produced after the conclusion of the original 48 EP series, but Akari was never in charge of that. It was Eriko, the MAIN voice of Hikaru. Usually, voice actors that participate in a promotional piece don't get to reprise their roles in the main series (which I believe to be the case for Orange Road). So if the subject is only known for a single majorly notable role, Tsubasa; and just one insignificant special, only to be replaced later on, chalking it all up, does that mean the subject is notable? Please, do think about it. Also, even if the subject did voice two main roles in two notable productions, that still isn't our idea of meeting the WP:NACTOR criteria. Having only two main roles isn't all that notable. Have at least three, then we could debate if that's exactly notable. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 04:02, 10 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Regardless, she was the first to play that main role, and that was the only release for a year and a half. It was clearly a separate release. I know you disagree, so you don't need to launch into some TL;DR rebuttal, or talk down to me as if I'm some idiot that doesn't know anything and should therefore bow to the greater wisdom that you so obviously have. You disagree. That's fine. Just leave it at that. ··· 日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 01:05, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

That so called main role is just about as significant as a small time adaption of a single OVA. You're just pushing it because you want to keep some poorly structured article, and not just that, an article about a seiyu that has obviously not made groundbreaking achievements in the industry. By that logic, many poorly written seiyu articles deserve to be kept. Really. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 01:34, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

That's an OVA for KOR. Yes, Hikaru is a starring character, but the OVA is about the equivalent of a pilot episode. Still, a pilot's a pilot, and if it weren't for the OVA, there wouldn't be an anime for this rather popular series. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 03:50, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep This actress passes WP:ENT with two major roles. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 04:30, 10 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Have you even read my counterargument to Joe? I just explained how insignificant that other so called "main" role is. It's really no different than being a stand in for the main actress for one episode in a long series, when you think about it. WP:ENT is inapplicable when all the subject has is two main roles. And in this case, one of them isn't even significant. Tsubasa is clearly notable; so notable that the character himself even has his own standalone article. But Hikaru for just one episode? Yeah, no. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 04:38, 10 December 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep This actress has been in several notable productions and a few major roles. The article has some sourcing issues but there is good hope for it. -- Adam in MO Talk 09:59, 11 December 2016 (UTC) reply

What do you mean, "several notable productions"? Have you even read my rebuttals? I've already analyzed the subject. Look. Just read my responses. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 12:12, 11 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Do you really need to harass people and question them in such a rude manner? Your comments boil down to, "You are an idiot. I already did all the research so all you need to do is believe me because I'm obviously much smarter than you." Please learn to treat everyone with respect, even those who disagree with you. ··· 日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 01:05, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Yeah, except some of what I've said are facts, and not my personal opinion. Anyone's opinion means nothing in the face of facts. And just for clarification - fact: The subject has only voiced as Hikaru in a single episode of Orange Road. Opinion: Because of that, I deem the subject's role on Hikaru as insignificant compared to Eriko, Hikaru's main voice.

The thing is, one of the guidelines in WP:NACTOR states that a subject is deemed notable when they have participated in multiple notable productions. Captain Tsubasa is clearly notable; we've already established that. But can we actually assume that one small time Shonen Jump special compared to the main series and the finale movies is notable? Yeah, that's not notable. At all. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 03:13, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

I really think that a short term T-ban would be beneficial here looking at some of the comments. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 01:41, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Participants in an AFD get questioned all the time. If you're seriously offended by that, I'm not sure if AFD discussions is where you wanna be in. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 01:51, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Yeah they get questioned but not to the point of rudeness/borderline verbal abuse. I usually see constructive criticism in AfD discussions, anyways this is a discussion for another place. Please know that you are stepping on more feet and eventually it can come back at you. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 01:55, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

I agree with you on the than Knowledgekid87, we clearly have a problem here. It should be in another forum though-- Adam in MO Talk 02:33, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep. Not impressed by "stand-in" analogy, even after thinking about it. -- Andreas Philopater ( talk) 23:10, 12 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Be unimpressed all you want. But a fact is a fact. You are free to ignore it, but it just shows how utterly narrowminded you are. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 00:57, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Please stop with the rude attacks. If you have something productive to say, say it. If all you're going to do is attempt to show how superior you are, then stuff a sock in it. There's no need to be such a jerk. ··· 日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 01:07, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Agreed with Nihonjoe. No name-calling please. It's not constructive. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 07:34, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

I didn't ignore it. I did you the courtesy of reflecting upon it, as you asked. This process of cogitation indicates to me that it isn't a fact at all – it's an analogy, and a pretty lame one. -- Andreas Philopater ( talk) 01:19, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

It would seem that you still don't understand what I meant by "fact", Andreas. It's a fact that the subject only voiced as Hikaru in a single special, and replaced later on by Eriko in all subsequent media. As I've said, you are free to ignore that fact, but it just shows that you're voting before having done prior research. Don't jump onto the keep bandwagon if you don't know what you're getting yourself into. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 01:25, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Your contention is that Hikaru is not a main character? Sorry, I somehow missed that. I'm not sure that's a fact, either though. It looks more like a judgement call. -- Andreas Philopater ( talk) 01:31, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

And this is why I suggest that you actually learn to read every single word I write before you say anything. Yes, that's a main role, but only for a single episode. Just about as significant as a character of the day, you know, characters that have a major driving force in a single episode, only to disappear off the face of the earth in the remainder of the series. What I am trying to say is, even main roles have varying levels of significance. Y'all are saying as if the subject's so called achievement in only having done Hikaru in just ONE episode is about as significant as her other role Tsubasa, or for that matter, Eriko, the MAIN voice of Hikaru. In the case of Eriko, it should be noted that she voiced for Hikaru for 56 episodes (including the OVAs) and 2 movies. Akari's role on the same character is obviously insignificant compared to her. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 01:39, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Actually, nobody much cares to read your walls of TLDR. Get on that cluebus and ride it as far as it will take you.-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 17:07, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply

• Keep Esper Mami role Konpoco is starring, main character's pet / mascot. [1] And Borgman she plays Shinji who is listed in the main cast. [2] Project A-Ko, she plays a regular character that is in that video franchise. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 04:09, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep Passes WP:Ent. SephyTheThird ( talk) 11:19, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep per well laid-out and defended rationales of Andreas Philopater, and to combat career deletionists-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 17:07, 13 December 2016 (UTC) reply
• Keep In addition to her main role, this OVA thing, in my opinion, is satisfactory as she was the first to voice said character, rather than just being a replacement. -- Yellow Diamond ( talk) 04:00, 15 December 2016 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.