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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 23:33, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Aishe Ghosh
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Non notable politician who fails to satisfy any criterion from WP:NPOL, being a candidate does not confer notability. Celestina007 ( talk) 22:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep: The subject always comes to news headlines in India. By comparing the sources this article can be kept. But unsure about its Notability criteria. - Iamrajdeepdas ( talk) 04:54, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Zero evidence of any notability; doesn't meet our criteria for politicians.— TheWikiholic ( talk) 05:55, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep: I'd perhaps argue for keep.
This,
this,
this,
this and many other sources should be enough to help her pass notability. The Economic Times in the long articles does mention, "The 25-year-old Ghosh, president of the JNU Students' Union (JNUSU), is arguably the most recognised student leader in the country at present." ─
The Aafī
(talk)
11:53, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Prior to looking at subjective guidelines like
WP:NPOL, we've the
GNG and imo, Ghosh meets GNG, as a student activist. ─
The Aafī
(talk)
11:54, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- I just tried Google and got these few (which I think are helpful), I'd surely try to find more once I get some more time. ─ The Aafī (talk) 11:57, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Prior to looking at subjective guidelines like
WP:NPOL, we've the
GNG and imo, Ghosh meets GNG, as a student activist. ─
The Aafī
(talk)
11:54, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Being the president of the students union of a university is not an automatic pass of
WP:POL. The coverage shows that the notability of the subject is related to the
WP:SINGLEEVENT of the
2020 Jawaharlal Nehru University attack. Besides that, I also see COI issues to this page as the article was created by an editor who claimed this image as
their work on the commons, and I can not find the image online (which would imply copyright infringement). This implies a close connection between the uploader and the subject.—
TheWikiholic (
talk)
13:58, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- There might be COI issues but that doesn't deny the fact that the subject passes GNG.
Beccaynr has presented a number of sources below. "When GNG passes, we don't need to look at any other subjective guideline." ─
The Aafī
(talk)
14:28, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- The article creator also appears to be a new editor, but per the sources identified by TheAafi above and myself below, editing can improve the article, and therefore would be preferable to deletion, per WP:ATD. Beccaynr ( talk) 14:39, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- There might be COI issues but that doesn't deny the fact that the subject passes GNG.
Beccaynr has presented a number of sources below. "When GNG passes, we don't need to look at any other subjective guideline." ─
The Aafī
(talk)
14:28, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Being the president of the students union of a university is not an automatic pass of
WP:POL. The coverage shows that the notability of the subject is related to the
WP:SINGLEEVENT of the
2020 Jawaharlal Nehru University attack. Besides that, I also see COI issues to this page as the article was created by an editor who claimed this image as
their work on the commons, and I can not find the image online (which would imply copyright infringement). This implies a close connection between the uploader and the subject.—
TheWikiholic (
talk)
13:58, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per
WP:BASIC/
WP:GNG; the sources in the article offer support for her notability and suggest that her 2021 candidacy is only one of the ways she has received significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable sources, and per
WP:BASIC,
If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability
. Her career as a student activist has received non-trival coverage focused on her, e.g. the sources noted by TheAafi above, and Who is Aishe Ghosh, the JNUSU president brutally assaulted by masked mob? (IndiaTV 2020), Meet JNUSU president Aishe Ghosh — the research scholar who became a leader to stop student body from dissolving (BusinessInsider 2020), JNU students’ president, injured in attack on campus, booked for vandalism (Hindustan Times, 2020), Charges against student leader Aishe Ghosh, but none held for JNU attacks (The Hindu, 2020), A Blow to the Head Makes an Instant Hero in India (New York Times, 2020, "Aishe Ghosh, a young woman who was set upon at a campus demonstration, has become an icon in India’s growing protest movement."), Kerala CM meets JNU student leader Aishe Ghosh, praises her for leading an ‘uncompromising fight’ (Scroll.in, 2020), that can be used to expand the article. In addition, it appears that her candidacy may also have received significant coverage per WP:NPOL, e.g. From JNU to Jamuria: Aishe Ghosh to test her brand of politics in Bengal polls (Deccan Herald, 2021), JNU to Jamuria, but anger against CPM MLA trails Aishe Ghosh, (The Indian Express, 2021), CPM fields firebrand scholar, former JNUSU president Aishe Ghosh to retain Jamuria (OnManorama, 2021), but WP:GNG appears to be supported before she became a candidate, and further supported afterwards. Beccaynr ( talk) 14:18, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Also, to respond to the suggestion that this is
WP:SINGLEEVENT,
WP:BIO1E appears to clearly not apply, because
the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one
, as demonstrated by the sources identified in this discussion, and there are sources covering Ghosh for more than one event, i.e. her student activism, injury, charges, and her later candidacy. In addition, WP:BLP1E appears to clearly not apply, because reliable sources are not covering Ghosh in the context of a single event, and based on the sources, she has not and is not likely to remain a low-profile individual, and the multiple events she has been involved in were substantial and her role has been well-documented. Beccaynr ( talk) 14:17, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Also, to respond to the suggestion that this is
WP:SINGLEEVENT,
WP:BIO1E appears to clearly not apply, because
- Keep as per The Aafī and Beccaynr NHCLS ( talk) 14:49, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Keep an interesting AFD discussion with many of my favorite people participating together. A treat! Agreed with my teacher Celestina007 that it doesn't cross WP:NPOL. One criteria of NPOL talks about massive following locally but the subject doesn't meet that either. I would also oppose the righteous Beccaynr when they say it is a significant event. As much as many would hate me, I think when WP:1E says significant, it means something much larger. An event relating to Student politics (according to me) won't become a part of it. This is of course open to interpretation and will depend on how much we sentimentally relate to what happened. All of this aside, I feel there is sufficient for WP:BASIC. The event has surely helped her launch herself and there is coverage about her beyond that one event. Hence, a keep from me. Nomadicghumakkad ( talk) 16:45, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, easily passes WP:NPOL and WP:GNG.- Danish Daniel 99 ( talk) 12:40, 04 August 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 23:33, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Aishe Ghosh
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Non notable politician who fails to satisfy any criterion from WP:NPOL, being a candidate does not confer notability. Celestina007 ( talk) 22:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep: The subject always comes to news headlines in India. By comparing the sources this article can be kept. But unsure about its Notability criteria. - Iamrajdeepdas ( talk) 04:54, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Zero evidence of any notability; doesn't meet our criteria for politicians.— TheWikiholic ( talk) 05:55, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 07:56, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: I'd perhaps argue for keep.
This,
this,
this,
this and many other sources should be enough to help her pass notability. The Economic Times in the long articles does mention, "The 25-year-old Ghosh, president of the JNU Students' Union (JNUSU), is arguably the most recognised student leader in the country at present." ─
The Aafī
(talk)
11:53, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Prior to looking at subjective guidelines like
WP:NPOL, we've the
GNG and imo, Ghosh meets GNG, as a student activist. ─
The Aafī
(talk)
11:54, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- I just tried Google and got these few (which I think are helpful), I'd surely try to find more once I get some more time. ─ The Aafī (talk) 11:57, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Prior to looking at subjective guidelines like
WP:NPOL, we've the
GNG and imo, Ghosh meets GNG, as a student activist. ─
The Aafī
(talk)
11:54, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Being the president of the students union of a university is not an automatic pass of
WP:POL. The coverage shows that the notability of the subject is related to the
WP:SINGLEEVENT of the
2020 Jawaharlal Nehru University attack. Besides that, I also see COI issues to this page as the article was created by an editor who claimed this image as
their work on the commons, and I can not find the image online (which would imply copyright infringement). This implies a close connection between the uploader and the subject.—
TheWikiholic (
talk)
13:58, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- There might be COI issues but that doesn't deny the fact that the subject passes GNG.
Beccaynr has presented a number of sources below. "When GNG passes, we don't need to look at any other subjective guideline." ─
The Aafī
(talk)
14:28, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- The article creator also appears to be a new editor, but per the sources identified by TheAafi above and myself below, editing can improve the article, and therefore would be preferable to deletion, per WP:ATD. Beccaynr ( talk) 14:39, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- There might be COI issues but that doesn't deny the fact that the subject passes GNG.
Beccaynr has presented a number of sources below. "When GNG passes, we don't need to look at any other subjective guideline." ─
The Aafī
(talk)
14:28, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Being the president of the students union of a university is not an automatic pass of
WP:POL. The coverage shows that the notability of the subject is related to the
WP:SINGLEEVENT of the
2020 Jawaharlal Nehru University attack. Besides that, I also see COI issues to this page as the article was created by an editor who claimed this image as
their work on the commons, and I can not find the image online (which would imply copyright infringement). This implies a close connection between the uploader and the subject.—
TheWikiholic (
talk)
13:58, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per
WP:BASIC/
WP:GNG; the sources in the article offer support for her notability and suggest that her 2021 candidacy is only one of the ways she has received significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable sources, and per
WP:BASIC,
If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability
. Her career as a student activist has received non-trival coverage focused on her, e.g. the sources noted by TheAafi above, and Who is Aishe Ghosh, the JNUSU president brutally assaulted by masked mob? (IndiaTV 2020), Meet JNUSU president Aishe Ghosh — the research scholar who became a leader to stop student body from dissolving (BusinessInsider 2020), JNU students’ president, injured in attack on campus, booked for vandalism (Hindustan Times, 2020), Charges against student leader Aishe Ghosh, but none held for JNU attacks (The Hindu, 2020), A Blow to the Head Makes an Instant Hero in India (New York Times, 2020, "Aishe Ghosh, a young woman who was set upon at a campus demonstration, has become an icon in India’s growing protest movement."), Kerala CM meets JNU student leader Aishe Ghosh, praises her for leading an ‘uncompromising fight’ (Scroll.in, 2020), that can be used to expand the article. In addition, it appears that her candidacy may also have received significant coverage per WP:NPOL, e.g. From JNU to Jamuria: Aishe Ghosh to test her brand of politics in Bengal polls (Deccan Herald, 2021), JNU to Jamuria, but anger against CPM MLA trails Aishe Ghosh, (The Indian Express, 2021), CPM fields firebrand scholar, former JNUSU president Aishe Ghosh to retain Jamuria (OnManorama, 2021), but WP:GNG appears to be supported before she became a candidate, and further supported afterwards. Beccaynr ( talk) 14:18, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Also, to respond to the suggestion that this is
WP:SINGLEEVENT,
WP:BIO1E appears to clearly not apply, because
the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one
, as demonstrated by the sources identified in this discussion, and there are sources covering Ghosh for more than one event, i.e. her student activism, injury, charges, and her later candidacy. In addition, WP:BLP1E appears to clearly not apply, because reliable sources are not covering Ghosh in the context of a single event, and based on the sources, she has not and is not likely to remain a low-profile individual, and the multiple events she has been involved in were substantial and her role has been well-documented. Beccaynr ( talk) 14:17, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Also, to respond to the suggestion that this is
WP:SINGLEEVENT,
WP:BIO1E appears to clearly not apply, because
- Keep as per The Aafī and Beccaynr NHCLS ( talk) 14:49, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Keep an interesting AFD discussion with many of my favorite people participating together. A treat! Agreed with my teacher Celestina007 that it doesn't cross WP:NPOL. One criteria of NPOL talks about massive following locally but the subject doesn't meet that either. I would also oppose the righteous Beccaynr when they say it is a significant event. As much as many would hate me, I think when WP:1E says significant, it means something much larger. An event relating to Student politics (according to me) won't become a part of it. This is of course open to interpretation and will depend on how much we sentimentally relate to what happened. All of this aside, I feel there is sufficient for WP:BASIC. The event has surely helped her launch herself and there is coverage about her beyond that one event. Hence, a keep from me. Nomadicghumakkad ( talk) 16:45, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, easily passes WP:NPOL and WP:GNG.- Danish Daniel 99 ( talk) 12:40, 04 August 2021 (UTC)
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