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The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination per low participation. North America 1000 10:46, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Agroindustrial Casa Grande
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WP:NCORP requires multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. That means, nothing that relies on company information or announcements or interviews, etc. None of the references in the article meet the criteria. We have standard financial reporting and a snippet of a recommendation to initiate legal action but which fails WP:CORPDEPTH and probably WP:ILLCON as well. I have been unable to find any references that meet NCORP criteria, topic fails WP:NCORP. HighKing ++ 21:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep. This new AfD was created the day after the previous one was closed, bringing a whole new meaning to
WP:TOOSOON. Here is an additional English-language source that talks a lot about Casa Grande in the broader context of the sugar industry:
https://www.profundo.nl/download/cnvi-2106 If you can't access the Gale OneFile references, you may be able to access them through your library.
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- The previous AfD was withdrawn by the nominator so not sure what your point is but your reference to TOOSOON isn't relevant in that context, it applies to topics that are considered to be too early for an article (did you even read TOOSOON?). The source you linked to is the best of the bunch so far though - but saying that, it doesn't mean it meets NCORP criteria and describing your source as one that "talks a lot about Casa Grande" is misleading at best. In fact, it doesn't really talk about the topic company at all or provide a profile. The context of this topic company in that reference is that the reference does include trading figures (which were reported by the company itself) into various tables. But there's no "Independent Content", it is just dry reporting without any analysis/opinion/etc, so still fails both CORPDEPTH and ORGIND. Also, the parent company, Glupo Gloria, doesn't have its own article and is only mentioned in the Peru Brand article, otherwise a redirect would be the best option. HighKing ++ 15:30, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
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23:29, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
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plicit
03:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination per low participation. North America 1000 10:46, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Agroindustrial Casa Grande
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WP:NCORP requires multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. That means, nothing that relies on company information or announcements or interviews, etc. None of the references in the article meet the criteria. We have standard financial reporting and a snippet of a recommendation to initiate legal action but which fails WP:CORPDEPTH and probably WP:ILLCON as well. I have been unable to find any references that meet NCORP criteria, topic fails WP:NCORP. HighKing ++ 21:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. HighKing ++ 21:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. HighKing ++ 21:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Peru-related deletion discussions. HighKing ++ 21:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. This new AfD was created the day after the previous one was closed, bringing a whole new meaning to
WP:TOOSOON. Here is an additional English-language source that talks a lot about Casa Grande in the broader context of the sugar industry:
https://www.profundo.nl/download/cnvi-2106 If you can't access the Gale OneFile references, you may be able to access them through your library.
Eastmain (
talk •
contribs)
00:03, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- The previous AfD was withdrawn by the nominator so not sure what your point is but your reference to TOOSOON isn't relevant in that context, it applies to topics that are considered to be too early for an article (did you even read TOOSOON?). The source you linked to is the best of the bunch so far though - but saying that, it doesn't mean it meets NCORP criteria and describing your source as one that "talks a lot about Casa Grande" is misleading at best. In fact, it doesn't really talk about the topic company at all or provide a profile. The context of this topic company in that reference is that the reference does include trading figures (which were reported by the company itself) into various tables. But there's no "Independent Content", it is just dry reporting without any analysis/opinion/etc, so still fails both CORPDEPTH and ORGIND. Also, the parent company, Glupo Gloria, doesn't have its own article and is only mentioned in the Peru Brand article, otherwise a redirect would be the best option. HighKing ++ 15:30, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Daniel (
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23:29, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
✗
plicit
03:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
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