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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) — Yash talk stalk 07:12, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Afua Richardson
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DePRODed by author without addressing the issue(s). Concern was: Research has not revealed any independent, reliable in-depth sources to establish notability per WP:CREATIVE. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 06:04, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 07:00, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Research has revealed some independent, reliable in-depth sources which establish notability. Andrew D. ( talk) 08:02, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
- For this vote to be valid, Andrew Davidson, you would need to list those sources, and preferably add them to the article. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 00:22, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 14:40, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete. I do not see any reliable substantial sources. The Comics Alliance article is an interview where she says whatever she wants to, andeven the interviewer says she is " a female comics pro on the ascendance."./ Phrase like "on the ascendance" translate as "Not Yet Notable.". The other references are mere mentions or a link to a picture of her work. DGG ( talk ) 18:11, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
- Update of Sources. I have added five new sources, replaced two others, and removed the source that DGG questioned. Shaneomatic ( talk) 21:34, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
- Shaneomatic, these are still only links to projects the subject has worked on. None of the cited sources are dedicated, in-depth coverage of the subject herself. Still fails to meet notability criteria at WP:CREATIVE. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 01:02, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete links showing that the subject is creating comics works are not enough to show notability. We need links to articles about the subject, and these are lacking. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:30, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep I found articles about her as a person and some reviews of her work. Added them to the article. Passes GNG. Megalibrarygirl ( talk) 20:56, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
- I have checked out the links that were added. Still none of them are more than websites that just happen to have the words 'Afua Richardson}' in them. 2,000 such sources wouldn't make this article pass our notability guidelines.
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (
talk) 22:37, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
- Nonsense. Those websites don't just happen to have the words of the subject's name as some sort of internet scrabble. For example, the most recent source added by Megalibrarygirl was a review which specifically discusses the artist's work and style. It's not all that lengthy -- about a paragraph -- but many such sources do constitute notability per WP:ANYBIO which states, "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". The search links above indicate that there are thousands of sources about this person and, as she has an unusual name, we may be fairly sure that they are about this person. A casual skim of such searches is not sufficient to conclude that they are all invalid and the nay-sayers don't seem to have done more than this; they certainly present no evidence. For example, because it's deep in the search lists, no-one else seems to have yet reached the coverage in The Guardian. This leads with an example of the artist's work and makes a clear claim of significance, "Afua Richardson, one of the few African American artists working for the big companies such as Marvel (she’s actually African Native American, and the recipient of a Nina Simone Artistic Achievement award for her comics work...". Again, this source isn't lengthy but it certainly contributes to her notability. Andrew D. ( talk) 08:41, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- I have checked out the links that were added. Still none of them are more than websites that just happen to have the words 'Afua Richardson}' in them. 2,000 such sources wouldn't make this article pass our notability guidelines.
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (
talk) 22:37, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 06:22, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. An award-winning artist in her field.-- Ipigott ( talk) 09:52, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Clearly notable, award-winning artist. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:42, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep As the article appears today, the subject seems to be notable. — MShabazz Talk/ Stalk 11:56, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep notable, award-winning artist. GNG met. Hmlarson ( talk) 14:51, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Delete- A search for the award she won returns 8 results, and they're all about this artist, not the award. I don't think this one-time award conveys any notability to its recipient. Pinging editors who cited the award when they !voted keep. User:Ipigott, User:Pigsonthewing, User:Hmlarson. Argento Surfer ( talk) 18:27, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- The wiki article is about the artist, not the award. Thanks.
Hmlarson (
talk) 18:36, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- @
Hmlarson: Yes, and your rationale for keeping this artist's article was "award-winning artist". Per
Wikipedia:Notability (people), "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor" (emphasis mine). That's not the case here.
Argento Surfer (
talk) 19:09, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- The guideline I cited was
WP:GNG. Thanks!
Hmlarson (
talk) 19:14, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- @
Hmlarson: You said "notable, award-winning artist. GNG met". Since the "award-winning" part amounts to nothing, and she has provided interior art for exactly 2 comic books. The first 11 sources prove existence of her work only. Please explain to me how GNG is met.
Argento Surfer (
talk) 19:22, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Please see
WP:SATISFY.
Hmlarson (
talk) 19:25, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Please see WP:Clearly notable. I think you've mistaken my willingness to be persuaded otherwise with badgering. Argento Surfer ( talk) 20:02, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Please see
WP:SATISFY.
Hmlarson (
talk) 19:25, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- @
Hmlarson: You said "notable, award-winning artist. GNG met". Since the "award-winning" part amounts to nothing, and she has provided interior art for exactly 2 comic books. The first 11 sources prove existence of her work only. Please explain to me how GNG is met.
Argento Surfer (
talk) 19:22, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- The guideline I cited was
WP:GNG. Thanks!
Hmlarson (
talk) 19:14, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- @
Hmlarson: Yes, and your rationale for keeping this artist's article was "award-winning artist". Per
Wikipedia:Notability (people), "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor" (emphasis mine). That's not the case here.
Argento Surfer (
talk) 19:09, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- The wiki article is about the artist, not the award. Thanks.
Hmlarson (
talk) 18:36, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Comment. Although I agree with Hmlarson's last comment, I think there must be something wrong with Argento Surfer's Google search setup. I immediately found [1].-- Ipigott ( talk) 19:42, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing that out. Apparently the award she won is called simply the Nina Simone Award, not the Nina Simone Artistic Achievement Award. I have revised my vote to Keep. Argento Surfer ( talk) 20:02, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep A great example of an AfD having the side effect of bringing out the best in the community, hunting down sources and expanding the article such that it now meets WP:GNG. Edwardx ( talk) 11:05, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) — Yash talk stalk 07:12, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Afua Richardson
- Afua Richardson ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
DePRODed by author without addressing the issue(s). Concern was: Research has not revealed any independent, reliable in-depth sources to establish notability per WP:CREATIVE. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 06:04, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 07:00, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Research has revealed some independent, reliable in-depth sources which establish notability. Andrew D. ( talk) 08:02, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
- For this vote to be valid, Andrew Davidson, you would need to list those sources, and preferably add them to the article. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 00:22, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 14:40, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 14:40, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. I do not see any reliable substantial sources. The Comics Alliance article is an interview where she says whatever she wants to, andeven the interviewer says she is " a female comics pro on the ascendance."./ Phrase like "on the ascendance" translate as "Not Yet Notable.". The other references are mere mentions or a link to a picture of her work. DGG ( talk ) 18:11, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
- Update of Sources. I have added five new sources, replaced two others, and removed the source that DGG questioned. Shaneomatic ( talk) 21:34, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
- Shaneomatic, these are still only links to projects the subject has worked on. None of the cited sources are dedicated, in-depth coverage of the subject herself. Still fails to meet notability criteria at WP:CREATIVE. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 01:02, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete links showing that the subject is creating comics works are not enough to show notability. We need links to articles about the subject, and these are lacking. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 03:30, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep I found articles about her as a person and some reviews of her work. Added them to the article. Passes GNG. Megalibrarygirl ( talk) 20:56, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
- I have checked out the links that were added. Still none of them are more than websites that just happen to have the words 'Afua Richardson}' in them. 2,000 such sources wouldn't make this article pass our notability guidelines.
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (
talk) 22:37, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
- Nonsense. Those websites don't just happen to have the words of the subject's name as some sort of internet scrabble. For example, the most recent source added by Megalibrarygirl was a review which specifically discusses the artist's work and style. It's not all that lengthy -- about a paragraph -- but many such sources do constitute notability per WP:ANYBIO which states, "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". The search links above indicate that there are thousands of sources about this person and, as she has an unusual name, we may be fairly sure that they are about this person. A casual skim of such searches is not sufficient to conclude that they are all invalid and the nay-sayers don't seem to have done more than this; they certainly present no evidence. For example, because it's deep in the search lists, no-one else seems to have yet reached the coverage in The Guardian. This leads with an example of the artist's work and makes a clear claim of significance, "Afua Richardson, one of the few African American artists working for the big companies such as Marvel (she’s actually African Native American, and the recipient of a Nina Simone Artistic Achievement award for her comics work...". Again, this source isn't lengthy but it certainly contributes to her notability. Andrew D. ( talk) 08:41, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- I have checked out the links that were added. Still none of them are more than websites that just happen to have the words 'Afua Richardson}' in them. 2,000 such sources wouldn't make this article pass our notability guidelines.
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (
talk) 22:37, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 06:22, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. An award-winning artist in her field.-- Ipigott ( talk) 09:52, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Clearly notable, award-winning artist. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:42, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep As the article appears today, the subject seems to be notable. — MShabazz Talk/ Stalk 11:56, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep notable, award-winning artist. GNG met. Hmlarson ( talk) 14:51, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Delete- A search for the award she won returns 8 results, and they're all about this artist, not the award. I don't think this one-time award conveys any notability to its recipient. Pinging editors who cited the award when they !voted keep. User:Ipigott, User:Pigsonthewing, User:Hmlarson. Argento Surfer ( talk) 18:27, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- The wiki article is about the artist, not the award. Thanks.
Hmlarson (
talk) 18:36, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- @
Hmlarson: Yes, and your rationale for keeping this artist's article was "award-winning artist". Per
Wikipedia:Notability (people), "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor" (emphasis mine). That's not the case here.
Argento Surfer (
talk) 19:09, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- The guideline I cited was
WP:GNG. Thanks!
Hmlarson (
talk) 19:14, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- @
Hmlarson: You said "notable, award-winning artist. GNG met". Since the "award-winning" part amounts to nothing, and she has provided interior art for exactly 2 comic books. The first 11 sources prove existence of her work only. Please explain to me how GNG is met.
Argento Surfer (
talk) 19:22, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Please see
WP:SATISFY.
Hmlarson (
talk) 19:25, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Please see WP:Clearly notable. I think you've mistaken my willingness to be persuaded otherwise with badgering. Argento Surfer ( talk) 20:02, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Please see
WP:SATISFY.
Hmlarson (
talk) 19:25, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- @
Hmlarson: You said "notable, award-winning artist. GNG met". Since the "award-winning" part amounts to nothing, and she has provided interior art for exactly 2 comic books. The first 11 sources prove existence of her work only. Please explain to me how GNG is met.
Argento Surfer (
talk) 19:22, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- The guideline I cited was
WP:GNG. Thanks!
Hmlarson (
talk) 19:14, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- @
Hmlarson: Yes, and your rationale for keeping this artist's article was "award-winning artist". Per
Wikipedia:Notability (people), "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor" (emphasis mine). That's not the case here.
Argento Surfer (
talk) 19:09, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- The wiki article is about the artist, not the award. Thanks.
Hmlarson (
talk) 18:36, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Comment. Although I agree with Hmlarson's last comment, I think there must be something wrong with Argento Surfer's Google search setup. I immediately found [1].-- Ipigott ( talk) 19:42, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing that out. Apparently the award she won is called simply the Nina Simone Award, not the Nina Simone Artistic Achievement Award. I have revised my vote to Keep. Argento Surfer ( talk) 20:02, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep A great example of an AfD having the side effect of bringing out the best in the community, hunting down sources and expanding the article such that it now meets WP:GNG. Edwardx ( talk) 11:05, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.