The result was no consensus. Stifle ( talk) 09:48, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Not notable TV person. Retrieved from WP:PROD by the subject themselves. Lots of passing mentions and minor credits; a few puff pieces with no evidence of independent journalistic research but no solid sources. Stuartyeates ( talk) 02:47, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
I find it amazing that Stuart has multiple accounts and having lived in NZ cant seem to find any current listing or notable credits. Perhaps this link will provide Stuart what he needs to limit his sense of power. http://www.choicetv.co.nz/tv-guide Currently airing in your backyard. -- 70.198.45.108 ( talk • contribs) 13:19, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
ok...? I believe you mean 'Adventure Aaron'? Again, notable is debatable, perhaps your looking for a few other links to validate the information, here is just a few?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.198.42.135 ( talk) 19:21, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
"I received an email from one of the major contributors about this page. I appreciate you taking time out of your day Nat, Stuart, Gene. I have nothing to do with this site or info, but I can assure you the links and info seems to be correct. A simple google search for both confirms it all and as far as whats notable or not, could always be up for debate. Bottom line is the links are correct and factual"-Aaron Carotta, aka Adventure Aaron.
Yes, I believe we all know its obvious you did. Instead of quickly responding, perhaps you should look at the links provided above, IMDB?!-MAV TV?! (A major network not employer as the page suggest as an independent producer, and numerous listing including the TV guide. Looks to me as if your going out of your way to make a point instead of paying more attention to your own reasons for numerous different accounts...but hey, maybe that is just your sole MO. Out of curiosity, Choice TV which doesn't even air in the US, instead your very home country, has current airing on now. How would that contradict or justify deletion? Its also not an employer as they license other materials and had numerous press links including Food TV in NZ to reference this deal. I am assuming you do not have a TV which would be the only way I could justify your initial flag. 21:17, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
I've been asked to take another look and 'look at every single link.' So:
I hope this helps. Stuartyeates ( talk) 09:28, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Unlike yourself, I will revert to the simple understanding that if you have the time to go through and evaluate all of these, it is a case in point. The mentions in some of these, 'press release' which is from the tourism board to which many of these papers are funded by, does not object to the guidelines, nor does 'fly-in-fish-fly-out non-independent (author admits the subject is a friend)'. I question your stance on it and like myself, helped Aaron by contributing to this original page. Anyone is entitle to be a friend of his and paying it forward for him, is the 'notable' thing to do. The fact that he's friends with the author of one of your examples, would suggest he is a notable person given that article was published in the NZ herald. You can decide if your personal choice to debate that quideline, is the notable life decision you feel good with in life. I beg to differ and personally suggest you proposed correction instead of deleting. Then perhaps you would be taken a 'bit more serious'. 18:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)18:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)18:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.198.2.252 ( talk)
KEEP It would appear to me that there are articles sourced which have more than enough acceptable markers of notability as some would agree above. I also did a search on Google referring the subject to which many more articles of notability have arrived. I would suggest the 'clean up' the questionable links and continue to contribute the notable ones. It would also appear that this was deletion proposal was created by one particular account that my have an ax to the page in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sftimes ( talk • contribs) 22:51, 8 December 2014 (UTC) — Sftimes ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
https://soundcloud.com/adventureaaron/newstalk-zb-new-zealand - Appears to be a valid interview with a top news personality that suggest details on what the original subjects pages, refers to.
http://fourhourworkweek.com/2009/12/22/cold-remedy-free-flights-anywhere-in-the-world-plus-live-qa-tonight/#more-2421 - Tim Ferriss, a best selling author seems to break the initial story on the subject here.
http://choicetv.co.nz/component/k2/item/1090-catch-cook-with-adventure-aaron - A current tv show listing about the subject and his show Sftimes ( talk) 13:54, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm very sorry, I think, I came here by opening a wrong door on the Net- but curious as I am, I tried to read and understand whereabout serious people are discussing. Don't really get a clue. What's , actually the problem? Do you propose to delete an article or the links/sources by the article?? There is nothing wrong with article self , I think - he (whoever it was) didn't lie a word. OK, there may be discussion about some .. "lighting" and "sound effects" - but which man doesn't like to have the greatest one? [reputation] ( to be honest, women do it often too, just more subtle and sophisticated). Is he "important " enough to get his wiki-place? I though, Wikipedia was initially created for users- readers, curious people like me. About 50 000 people on Facebook and almost same on Twitter were curious and even liked him - I found people on Wikipedia with much less . Is he really good? Don't know, but if TV channels pay for the second seasons of his series - obviously they find him good enough? Oh, and that "journalist-being-friend"-question ... Excuse me, would someone write an article about a person, that he doesn't know, doesn't like, doesn't find interesting? Yes, perhaps, if he got paid therefor. Independent-dept? If you well interested in someone's story, feel you curious/inspired/surprised/amused...or just like the way he smiles - are you friends? Who am I to decide? Just a little, curious woman that likes Wiki a lot - because you can find here everything in the world and beyond what you want to know [By the way - I'm ridiculous superficial, never can take a part in intellectual discussions of my friends - I constantly forget the name of "Run, rabbit"-author, hate Chehov, can't remember if I've seen anything of Fellini, all physical formula's passed by my brain without living a trace and certainly don't ask me anything about sources- but believe me or not, I've read that article wrote by friend and even seen the video - friend or not, he just very accurate describes episode and he has sharp and funny tong ( should he use it only for friends?!) I'd vote "live and let him live" -if I'd found the vote-button ;-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Camel-on-the-beach ( talk • contribs) 21:10, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
The article notes:
Aaron Carotta spent three days in Hawke's Bay last week, filming the show, which focuses on adventure and diverse foods, and features internationally regarded guest chefs.
His challenge while in the Bay was to catch a wild pig, which chef Peta Mathias made into a gourmet "boil up" at a Master Class at Cape Kidnappers Lodge.
"We were able to catch a wild pig and stopped off at the Hastings Farmers Market, which was an adventure in itself," Mr Carotta said.
The article notes:
It started with a video he posted to the Facebook page of “Adventure” Aaron Carotta auditioning for a spot on the TV show Bucket Wish.
Carotta, an Omaha native, has produced TV shows such as Alive! with Adventure Aaron and Catch and Cook, shows that featured various adventures around the globe.
His latest venture, Bucket Wish, will be appearing on MavTV (DirecTV channel 214, Dish 248) this fall. A Facebook casting call asked viewers to send in videos of themselves and pick one of 13 adventures they wanted to go on.
The article notes:
Thrill-seeking American TV presenter Aaron Carotta was in Waitaki over the weekend, filming an episode of Catch And Cook with Adventure Aaron.
The 30-minute feature on the Waitaki District, features Carotta being challenged by Oamaru chef James Glucksman, to track down certain ingredients.
...
The show follows Carotta with his catches including hunting, fishing and more. The show is filmed and screened worldwide.
Cunard ( talk) 20:39, 16 December 2014 (UTC)"Significant" simply means significant enough to establish notability. What is "significant" is an opinion. It's true that many of the sources listed by Stuartyeates are not usable due to independence and PR issues. However the ones marked "non-adversarial interview-based article" are acceptable as markers of notability. There is nothing in the guidelines that say these sources are not reliable. It's kind of ludicrous to frame a source that quotes the subject as being an "interview" because in that case any article that quotes someone is an interview. And then require it to be an "adversarial" type of article, whatever that means. The notability guidelines have a lower bar. The bar is being artificially raised due to COI and other concerns that have nothing to do with the sources.
The result was no consensus. Stifle ( talk) 09:48, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Not notable TV person. Retrieved from WP:PROD by the subject themselves. Lots of passing mentions and minor credits; a few puff pieces with no evidence of independent journalistic research but no solid sources. Stuartyeates ( talk) 02:47, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
I find it amazing that Stuart has multiple accounts and having lived in NZ cant seem to find any current listing or notable credits. Perhaps this link will provide Stuart what he needs to limit his sense of power. http://www.choicetv.co.nz/tv-guide Currently airing in your backyard. -- 70.198.45.108 ( talk • contribs) 13:19, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
ok...? I believe you mean 'Adventure Aaron'? Again, notable is debatable, perhaps your looking for a few other links to validate the information, here is just a few?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.198.42.135 ( talk) 19:21, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
"I received an email from one of the major contributors about this page. I appreciate you taking time out of your day Nat, Stuart, Gene. I have nothing to do with this site or info, but I can assure you the links and info seems to be correct. A simple google search for both confirms it all and as far as whats notable or not, could always be up for debate. Bottom line is the links are correct and factual"-Aaron Carotta, aka Adventure Aaron.
Yes, I believe we all know its obvious you did. Instead of quickly responding, perhaps you should look at the links provided above, IMDB?!-MAV TV?! (A major network not employer as the page suggest as an independent producer, and numerous listing including the TV guide. Looks to me as if your going out of your way to make a point instead of paying more attention to your own reasons for numerous different accounts...but hey, maybe that is just your sole MO. Out of curiosity, Choice TV which doesn't even air in the US, instead your very home country, has current airing on now. How would that contradict or justify deletion? Its also not an employer as they license other materials and had numerous press links including Food TV in NZ to reference this deal. I am assuming you do not have a TV which would be the only way I could justify your initial flag. 21:17, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
I've been asked to take another look and 'look at every single link.' So:
I hope this helps. Stuartyeates ( talk) 09:28, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Unlike yourself, I will revert to the simple understanding that if you have the time to go through and evaluate all of these, it is a case in point. The mentions in some of these, 'press release' which is from the tourism board to which many of these papers are funded by, does not object to the guidelines, nor does 'fly-in-fish-fly-out non-independent (author admits the subject is a friend)'. I question your stance on it and like myself, helped Aaron by contributing to this original page. Anyone is entitle to be a friend of his and paying it forward for him, is the 'notable' thing to do. The fact that he's friends with the author of one of your examples, would suggest he is a notable person given that article was published in the NZ herald. You can decide if your personal choice to debate that quideline, is the notable life decision you feel good with in life. I beg to differ and personally suggest you proposed correction instead of deleting. Then perhaps you would be taken a 'bit more serious'. 18:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)18:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)18:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.198.2.252 ( talk)
KEEP It would appear to me that there are articles sourced which have more than enough acceptable markers of notability as some would agree above. I also did a search on Google referring the subject to which many more articles of notability have arrived. I would suggest the 'clean up' the questionable links and continue to contribute the notable ones. It would also appear that this was deletion proposal was created by one particular account that my have an ax to the page in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sftimes ( talk • contribs) 22:51, 8 December 2014 (UTC) — Sftimes ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
https://soundcloud.com/adventureaaron/newstalk-zb-new-zealand - Appears to be a valid interview with a top news personality that suggest details on what the original subjects pages, refers to.
http://fourhourworkweek.com/2009/12/22/cold-remedy-free-flights-anywhere-in-the-world-plus-live-qa-tonight/#more-2421 - Tim Ferriss, a best selling author seems to break the initial story on the subject here.
http://choicetv.co.nz/component/k2/item/1090-catch-cook-with-adventure-aaron - A current tv show listing about the subject and his show Sftimes ( talk) 13:54, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm very sorry, I think, I came here by opening a wrong door on the Net- but curious as I am, I tried to read and understand whereabout serious people are discussing. Don't really get a clue. What's , actually the problem? Do you propose to delete an article or the links/sources by the article?? There is nothing wrong with article self , I think - he (whoever it was) didn't lie a word. OK, there may be discussion about some .. "lighting" and "sound effects" - but which man doesn't like to have the greatest one? [reputation] ( to be honest, women do it often too, just more subtle and sophisticated). Is he "important " enough to get his wiki-place? I though, Wikipedia was initially created for users- readers, curious people like me. About 50 000 people on Facebook and almost same on Twitter were curious and even liked him - I found people on Wikipedia with much less . Is he really good? Don't know, but if TV channels pay for the second seasons of his series - obviously they find him good enough? Oh, and that "journalist-being-friend"-question ... Excuse me, would someone write an article about a person, that he doesn't know, doesn't like, doesn't find interesting? Yes, perhaps, if he got paid therefor. Independent-dept? If you well interested in someone's story, feel you curious/inspired/surprised/amused...or just like the way he smiles - are you friends? Who am I to decide? Just a little, curious woman that likes Wiki a lot - because you can find here everything in the world and beyond what you want to know [By the way - I'm ridiculous superficial, never can take a part in intellectual discussions of my friends - I constantly forget the name of "Run, rabbit"-author, hate Chehov, can't remember if I've seen anything of Fellini, all physical formula's passed by my brain without living a trace and certainly don't ask me anything about sources- but believe me or not, I've read that article wrote by friend and even seen the video - friend or not, he just very accurate describes episode and he has sharp and funny tong ( should he use it only for friends?!) I'd vote "live and let him live" -if I'd found the vote-button ;-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Camel-on-the-beach ( talk • contribs) 21:10, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
The article notes:
Aaron Carotta spent three days in Hawke's Bay last week, filming the show, which focuses on adventure and diverse foods, and features internationally regarded guest chefs.
His challenge while in the Bay was to catch a wild pig, which chef Peta Mathias made into a gourmet "boil up" at a Master Class at Cape Kidnappers Lodge.
"We were able to catch a wild pig and stopped off at the Hastings Farmers Market, which was an adventure in itself," Mr Carotta said.
The article notes:
It started with a video he posted to the Facebook page of “Adventure” Aaron Carotta auditioning for a spot on the TV show Bucket Wish.
Carotta, an Omaha native, has produced TV shows such as Alive! with Adventure Aaron and Catch and Cook, shows that featured various adventures around the globe.
His latest venture, Bucket Wish, will be appearing on MavTV (DirecTV channel 214, Dish 248) this fall. A Facebook casting call asked viewers to send in videos of themselves and pick one of 13 adventures they wanted to go on.
The article notes:
Thrill-seeking American TV presenter Aaron Carotta was in Waitaki over the weekend, filming an episode of Catch And Cook with Adventure Aaron.
The 30-minute feature on the Waitaki District, features Carotta being challenged by Oamaru chef James Glucksman, to track down certain ingredients.
...
The show follows Carotta with his catches including hunting, fishing and more. The show is filmed and screened worldwide.
Cunard ( talk) 20:39, 16 December 2014 (UTC)"Significant" simply means significant enough to establish notability. What is "significant" is an opinion. It's true that many of the sources listed by Stuartyeates are not usable due to independence and PR issues. However the ones marked "non-adversarial interview-based article" are acceptable as markers of notability. There is nothing in the guidelines that say these sources are not reliable. It's kind of ludicrous to frame a source that quotes the subject as being an "interview" because in that case any article that quotes someone is an interview. And then require it to be an "adversarial" type of article, whatever that means. The notability guidelines have a lower bar. The bar is being artificially raised due to COI and other concerns that have nothing to do with the sources.