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The result was keep. Sandstein 17:46, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
A K Peters
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None notable book publisher that fails notability standards for companies. All the coverage of them is trivial and nothing comes up in a Google Search that establishes notability. Adamant1 ( talk) 02:48, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 02:56, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of mathematics-related deletion discussions. Charles Matthews ( talk) 15:42, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:COMPANY - The9Man * ( Talk) 05:26, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Klaus Peters started his career with Springer-Verlag, reviving the mathematics activity that had died in WW2. He represented the traditional idea of lifelong relationships of authors and publishers. However, a conflict arose as to whether the editorial department or the business operations would lead the press. When the owners went a commercial route, he left or was fired, it's not clear. He spent the rest of his life reviving and creating a sequence of publishing operations. But the trend to consolidation and purely commercial decision making prevented him multiple times from getting his presses off the ground. Now the tradition of editor-author collaboration is nearly lost. Wikipedia would do well to document this somewhere. Alice Peters is still alive, the Globe obit of Klaus is a source and the history of Springer-Verlag as a plaything for private equity firms is a disgrace. I have letters that illustrate some of this.
User:Davidbmumford 18:30, 12 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidbmumford ( talk • contribs)
- Comment I've added an independent source (only one so far) and relegated self-published material to a 'further reading' section. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- I think this is a keep. The references are probably there. The publishing house had a lot to do with bringing experimental mathematics to the attention of the mathematical community. I have now added a section about that. Charles Matthews ( talk) 11:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep I tend to agree with Charles Matthews here. It is often surprisingly difficult to find information about a publisher amid everything printed by them (a challenge that arose with the Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics, for example). But we have good biographical sources here, enough to justify an article — and moreover, having an article enriches our bibliographies across the site, for any page that uses a source published by A K Peters. Being able to say who publishers are helps gauge the reliability of information, which is a good thing. Furthermore, there are plausible merge targets, like CRC Press, so we have alternatives to deletion and don't need to go the extreme route. XOR'easter ( talk) 17:11, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, possibly with reorganization. The WP:NCOMPANY case is a little weak, though the Notices article is a good source, and the blog post by (subject expert) Mumford might also qualify. I think that Klaus Peters (redirects to this page) may also make WP:NPROF C8. I'm not sure how this should best be organized, but note that reversing the redirect (so that the main article is on Klaus Peters) is not indicated, as that would minimize the contributions of Alice Peters. Additional sources: AMS Obituary [1] (not independent of the other Notices article, but still), MAA Obituary [2]. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 17:50, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. As well as some book review sources (which don't really contribute towards notability; all serious publishers have book reviews) I added a trade-journal story about them [3] and another journal that they published. I think there's enough here for WP:GNG and that there's enough independent significance to them that a redirect to their now-parent corporation doesn't make sense (even less so a redirect to the biographies of either of the two principals). — David Eppstein ( talk) 18:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment If there is sufficient information for a stand-alone biographical article about Klaus Peters, I would recommend a split. There are good arguments above for retention regardless of inclusion of Peters' biographical information or not. However, there is a similar "notability divide" between Public and Private companies as has been noted between Publishers and Published works or Topic areas. I've struggled quite a bit over the years with that public/private divide and see no indication that wikipedia rules will be thawed to allow different treatment between the two. Therefore, though I and most other !voting keep for this article would like to see it included in the encyclopedia, rules is rules and I could see a closer looking at the comments and saying "sorry - nice to have isn't an inclusion criteria". We need that 2nd and 3rd notability-supporting source. Pretty sure it's out there; the one I added was from a source I'd never heard of before I found it in a Duckduckgo search, likely a nice go-to for publishers in general (Against the Grain) --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 02:10, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- One thing at a time, but OK—there is plenty of biographical information to be found about Klaus Peters. I have added a couple of things about the company. Charles Matthews ( talk)
- It's also possible that the content should be moved (with redirect) to
Alice and Klaus Peters, and that AK Peters should be a section in that article. I see that there are other articles on married couples who work closely together, such as that on
Alan and Marilyn Bergman. See Category::Married Couples for a list.
Russ Woodroofe (
talk)
09:42, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- Would make sense. Redirect should be categorised. Charles Matthews ( talk) 10:00, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- +1 --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 02:12, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Sandstein 17:46, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
A K Peters
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- Version nominated for deletion. Changes have been made since nomination.
None notable book publisher that fails notability standards for companies. All the coverage of them is trivial and nothing comes up in a Google Search that establishes notability. Adamant1 ( talk) 02:48, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 02:56, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 02:56, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of mathematics-related deletion discussions. Charles Matthews ( talk) 15:42, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:COMPANY - The9Man * ( Talk) 05:26, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Klaus Peters started his career with Springer-Verlag, reviving the mathematics activity that had died in WW2. He represented the traditional idea of lifelong relationships of authors and publishers. However, a conflict arose as to whether the editorial department or the business operations would lead the press. When the owners went a commercial route, he left or was fired, it's not clear. He spent the rest of his life reviving and creating a sequence of publishing operations. But the trend to consolidation and purely commercial decision making prevented him multiple times from getting his presses off the ground. Now the tradition of editor-author collaboration is nearly lost. Wikipedia would do well to document this somewhere. Alice Peters is still alive, the Globe obit of Klaus is a source and the history of Springer-Verlag as a plaything for private equity firms is a disgrace. I have letters that illustrate some of this.
User:Davidbmumford 18:30, 12 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidbmumford ( talk • contribs)
- Comment I've added an independent source (only one so far) and relegated self-published material to a 'further reading' section. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- I think this is a keep. The references are probably there. The publishing house had a lot to do with bringing experimental mathematics to the attention of the mathematical community. I have now added a section about that. Charles Matthews ( talk) 11:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep I tend to agree with Charles Matthews here. It is often surprisingly difficult to find information about a publisher amid everything printed by them (a challenge that arose with the Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics, for example). But we have good biographical sources here, enough to justify an article — and moreover, having an article enriches our bibliographies across the site, for any page that uses a source published by A K Peters. Being able to say who publishers are helps gauge the reliability of information, which is a good thing. Furthermore, there are plausible merge targets, like CRC Press, so we have alternatives to deletion and don't need to go the extreme route. XOR'easter ( talk) 17:11, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep, possibly with reorganization. The WP:NCOMPANY case is a little weak, though the Notices article is a good source, and the blog post by (subject expert) Mumford might also qualify. I think that Klaus Peters (redirects to this page) may also make WP:NPROF C8. I'm not sure how this should best be organized, but note that reversing the redirect (so that the main article is on Klaus Peters) is not indicated, as that would minimize the contributions of Alice Peters. Additional sources: AMS Obituary [1] (not independent of the other Notices article, but still), MAA Obituary [2]. Russ Woodroofe ( talk) 17:50, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. As well as some book review sources (which don't really contribute towards notability; all serious publishers have book reviews) I added a trade-journal story about them [3] and another journal that they published. I think there's enough here for WP:GNG and that there's enough independent significance to them that a redirect to their now-parent corporation doesn't make sense (even less so a redirect to the biographies of either of the two principals). — David Eppstein ( talk) 18:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment If there is sufficient information for a stand-alone biographical article about Klaus Peters, I would recommend a split. There are good arguments above for retention regardless of inclusion of Peters' biographical information or not. However, there is a similar "notability divide" between Public and Private companies as has been noted between Publishers and Published works or Topic areas. I've struggled quite a bit over the years with that public/private divide and see no indication that wikipedia rules will be thawed to allow different treatment between the two. Therefore, though I and most other !voting keep for this article would like to see it included in the encyclopedia, rules is rules and I could see a closer looking at the comments and saying "sorry - nice to have isn't an inclusion criteria". We need that 2nd and 3rd notability-supporting source. Pretty sure it's out there; the one I added was from a source I'd never heard of before I found it in a Duckduckgo search, likely a nice go-to for publishers in general (Against the Grain) --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 02:10, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- One thing at a time, but OK—there is plenty of biographical information to be found about Klaus Peters. I have added a couple of things about the company. Charles Matthews ( talk)
- It's also possible that the content should be moved (with redirect) to
Alice and Klaus Peters, and that AK Peters should be a section in that article. I see that there are other articles on married couples who work closely together, such as that on
Alan and Marilyn Bergman. See Category::Married Couples for a list.
Russ Woodroofe (
talk)
09:42, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- Would make sense. Redirect should be categorised. Charles Matthews ( talk) 10:00, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- +1 --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 02:12, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.