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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 22:10, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
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No overt claims to notability. The lead says it all "1st Avenue are two streets running north–south in Portland, Oregon, in the United States." The only reference in the article is an unrelated news report about a business which has an address on the street (street only mentioned once in passing).
I read WP:ROADOUTCOMES, however, this appears to fail GNG and fall into the second major bullet point ("City streets are contested, but minor streets are generally deleted.") I believe it to be the latter. WP:BEFORE confirmed the tthe streets definitely exist, but not much else. TheSandDoctor ( talk) 05:43, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Please note that this is for 3 articles. -- TheSandDoctor ( talk) 04:14, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
- Delete not a notable road per WP:ROADOUTCOMES. SportingFlyer talk 05:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- This vote was for
1st Avenue (Portland, Oregon). --
TheSandDoctor (
talk)
20:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Huh, that's a strange merge. None of these streets are notable, and I disagree with the redirect candidate below.
SportingFlyer
talk
00:35, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
- @
SportingFlyer:, it was merged per a suggestion below as the three nominations were virtually identical and to take up less space in the feed. --
TheSandDoctor (
talk)
04:14, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
- It's entirely logical - just didn't expect there to be other avenues to comment on! SportingFlyer talk 04:26, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
- @
SportingFlyer:, it was merged per a suggestion below as the three nominations were virtually identical and to take up less space in the feed. --
TheSandDoctor (
talk)
04:14, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
- Huh, that's a strange merge. None of these streets are notable, and I disagree with the redirect candidate below.
SportingFlyer
talk
00:35, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
- This vote was for
1st Avenue (Portland, Oregon). --
TheSandDoctor (
talk)
20:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 09:07, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oregon-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 09:07, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - fails WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 14:37, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- This vote was for 1st Avenue (Portland, Oregon). -- TheSandDoctor ( talk) 20:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - Nothing to show that it passes WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 14:38, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- This was for 3rd Avenue (Portland, Oregon). -- TheSandDoctor ( talk) 20:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Should we merge all three of these AFDs into one? Moaz786 ( talk to me or see what I've been doing) 19:32, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Done @
Moaz786:. --
TheSandDoctor (
talk)
21:02, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Comment/Question: How about redirecting to
List of streets in Portland, Oregon? There are similar list for other cities. ---
Another Believer (
Talk)
21:42, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- @ TheSandDoctor, SportingFlyer, Onel5969, and Moaz786: Pinging you all in case you'd like to consider this option, too. Thanks. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:46, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- @ Mark the train: Oops, meant to ping you above instead of "Moaz786". --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:00, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- If not keep, then redirect (note: article creator). I created these stubs, and I imagine there is coverage about the history of these waterfront streets, which are part of Portland's early history. However, I don't have time to research and expand these articles in the immediate future. My vote is to redirect these stubs to List of streets in Portland, Oregon, which I just created and mentioned above for consideration, instead of deleting potentially expandable articles. Also, if these articles are redirected or deleted, there are many articles needing to have links removed:
- Pages that link to "1st Avenue (Portland, Oregon)"
- Pages that link to "2nd Avenue (Portland, Oregon)"
- Pages that link to "3rd Avenue (Portland, Oregon)"
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:48, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Automated comment: This AfD cannot be processed correctly because of an issue with the header. Please make sure the header has only 1 article, and doesn't have any HTML encoded characters.— cyberbot I Talk to my owner:Online 23:05, 16 March 2018 (UTC)- Keep all - These are major Downtown streets all important in the development of Portland, called the "commercial core" or Portland at the turn of the century [1], was the center of Old Town Chinatown according to the book Sweet Cakes, Long Journey: The Chinatowns of Portland, Oregon and, with zero surprise, all full of historic notable buildings and landmarks like the Merchant Hotel, the Dekum Building, the Pallay Building, Auditorium and Music Hall, World Trade Center, Hotel Albion, Plaza Blocks, the Keller Auditorium and Lan Su Chinese Garden. All the nom writes about is current article condition. AfD is not cleanup.-- Oakshade ( talk) 06:24, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - When you have closely spaced streets (about 200+ feet apart) laid out in a grid pattern (often with one way traffic pattern) none of these streets are really notable, or anymore notable than the districts these streets are located in. Acnetj ( talk) 03:13, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 22:10, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
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No overt claims to notability. The lead says it all "1st Avenue are two streets running north–south in Portland, Oregon, in the United States." The only reference in the article is an unrelated news report about a business which has an address on the street (street only mentioned once in passing).
I read WP:ROADOUTCOMES, however, this appears to fail GNG and fall into the second major bullet point ("City streets are contested, but minor streets are generally deleted.") I believe it to be the latter. WP:BEFORE confirmed the tthe streets definitely exist, but not much else. TheSandDoctor ( talk) 05:43, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Please note that this is for 3 articles. -- TheSandDoctor ( talk) 04:14, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
- Delete not a notable road per WP:ROADOUTCOMES. SportingFlyer talk 05:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- This vote was for
1st Avenue (Portland, Oregon). --
TheSandDoctor (
talk)
20:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Huh, that's a strange merge. None of these streets are notable, and I disagree with the redirect candidate below.
SportingFlyer
talk
00:35, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
- @
SportingFlyer:, it was merged per a suggestion below as the three nominations were virtually identical and to take up less space in the feed. --
TheSandDoctor (
talk)
04:14, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
- It's entirely logical - just didn't expect there to be other avenues to comment on! SportingFlyer talk 04:26, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
- @
SportingFlyer:, it was merged per a suggestion below as the three nominations were virtually identical and to take up less space in the feed. --
TheSandDoctor (
talk)
04:14, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
- Huh, that's a strange merge. None of these streets are notable, and I disagree with the redirect candidate below.
SportingFlyer
talk
00:35, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
- This vote was for
1st Avenue (Portland, Oregon). --
TheSandDoctor (
talk)
20:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 09:07, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oregon-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 09:07, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - fails WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 14:37, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- This vote was for 1st Avenue (Portland, Oregon). -- TheSandDoctor ( talk) 20:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - Nothing to show that it passes WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 14:38, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- This was for 3rd Avenue (Portland, Oregon). -- TheSandDoctor ( talk) 20:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Should we merge all three of these AFDs into one? Moaz786 ( talk to me or see what I've been doing) 19:32, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Done @
Moaz786:. --
TheSandDoctor (
talk)
21:02, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- Comment/Question: How about redirecting to
List of streets in Portland, Oregon? There are similar list for other cities. ---
Another Believer (
Talk)
21:42, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- @ TheSandDoctor, SportingFlyer, Onel5969, and Moaz786: Pinging you all in case you'd like to consider this option, too. Thanks. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:46, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- @ Mark the train: Oops, meant to ping you above instead of "Moaz786". --- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:00, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- If not keep, then redirect (note: article creator). I created these stubs, and I imagine there is coverage about the history of these waterfront streets, which are part of Portland's early history. However, I don't have time to research and expand these articles in the immediate future. My vote is to redirect these stubs to List of streets in Portland, Oregon, which I just created and mentioned above for consideration, instead of deleting potentially expandable articles. Also, if these articles are redirected or deleted, there are many articles needing to have links removed:
- Pages that link to "1st Avenue (Portland, Oregon)"
- Pages that link to "2nd Avenue (Portland, Oregon)"
- Pages that link to "3rd Avenue (Portland, Oregon)"
--- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:48, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Automated comment: This AfD cannot be processed correctly because of an issue with the header. Please make sure the header has only 1 article, and doesn't have any HTML encoded characters.— cyberbot I Talk to my owner:Online 23:05, 16 March 2018 (UTC)- Keep all - These are major Downtown streets all important in the development of Portland, called the "commercial core" or Portland at the turn of the century [1], was the center of Old Town Chinatown according to the book Sweet Cakes, Long Journey: The Chinatowns of Portland, Oregon and, with zero surprise, all full of historic notable buildings and landmarks like the Merchant Hotel, the Dekum Building, the Pallay Building, Auditorium and Music Hall, World Trade Center, Hotel Albion, Plaza Blocks, the Keller Auditorium and Lan Su Chinese Garden. All the nom writes about is current article condition. AfD is not cleanup.-- Oakshade ( talk) 06:24, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - When you have closely spaced streets (about 200+ feet apart) laid out in a grid pattern (often with one way traffic pattern) none of these streets are really notable, or anymore notable than the districts these streets are located in. Acnetj ( talk) 03:13, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
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