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The result was delete. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 18:46, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
2 Days to Vegas
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Does not appear to meet notability guidelines. The creeper2007 Talk! 06:12, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete Article is not notable. The game hasn't been released and seems to be in hiatus. Ashishkafle ( talk) 07:44, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Keep - Never having heard of this game before, let's make a case for it by bringing some actually reliable sources into the fold. While cancelled video games don't commonly make for notable articles, a few exceptions happen from time to time, such as Sonic X-treme or Lego Bionicle: The Legend of Mata Nui. So, I did some research and I found this:- Here's an initial exposition from IGN
- On their licensing of motion capture hardware, there's this from Businesswire
- A news story in 2007 from Gamesindustry.biz talked about Steel Monkeys acquiring advertising in-game for 2 Days to Vegas here
- Here's an interview about the game from 2009 from German website pcgamer.de
- German website Factornews talks about the game in 2009 here, calls it "vaporware"
- IGN says it's still in development in 2009 here
- GameInformer has this article from 2013, calling the game effectively cancelled.
I stopped there, but that's a fair bit already. It seems like the coverage is there to call this a notable subject, and that's from a normally deletion-minded editor. Red Phoenix talk 00:57, 1 July 2020 (UTC)- I have taken a couple more looks for more sources and came up dry. It's unfortunate because this seems to have a little more coverage than games that suffer the same fate, but being unable to find more, I have struck my keep !vote. And on a side note, I did NOT compare this to Sonic X-treme - I wrote that article and I know what kind of coverage it has. I was only bringing it up as an example that cancelled games can be notable and being cancelled alone does not mean a game is not notable. Red Phoenix talk 23:01, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I am not impressed that the sources posted by Red Phoenix, and I don't think they make it a WP:GNG pass here. Will try to look for the sources later, but leaning delete for now.
- 1) Just a quotation of what the developer said about the game, and a short commentary of the released screenshots. A trivial coverage.
- 2) A press release, WP:PRIMARY source
- 3) The only coverage related to 2 Days to Vegas directly is from the Steel Monkeys' deputy director, making it WP:PRIMARY
- 4) While great for expanding the development section, it is a WP:PRIMARY interview citing what had the team member said.
- 5) The source is of ambiguous reliability, and it's calling back to PC Games' interview (source 4)
- 6) Short bit that it's still in development, not a WP:SIGCOV
- 7) "This game began development in 2003" and "lists the game as being in development" is not a significant coverage. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 06:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Searched around and I've found other WP:ROUTINE trivial mentions on GameStar and a Gematsu article that relies on what Steel Monkeys' Tim Dvoskin said. This game was here compared to likes of Sonic X-treme, which is an extremely notable game with lots of in-depth post cancellation coverage by reliable sources, and Mata Nui that at least had an in-depth coverage of its remake by IGN. The subject doesn't have any significant coverage in multiple reliable sources beyond the expected things for an upcoming release, and so it fails WP:GNG. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 06:44, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 18:46, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
2 Days to Vegas
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Does not appear to meet notability guidelines. The creeper2007 Talk! 06:12, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. The creeper2007 Talk! 06:12, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Article is not notable. The game hasn't been released and seems to be in hiatus. Ashishkafle ( talk) 07:44, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Keep - Never having heard of this game before, let's make a case for it by bringing some actually reliable sources into the fold. While cancelled video games don't commonly make for notable articles, a few exceptions happen from time to time, such as Sonic X-treme or Lego Bionicle: The Legend of Mata Nui. So, I did some research and I found this:- Here's an initial exposition from IGN
- On their licensing of motion capture hardware, there's this from Businesswire
- A news story in 2007 from Gamesindustry.biz talked about Steel Monkeys acquiring advertising in-game for 2 Days to Vegas here
- Here's an interview about the game from 2009 from German website pcgamer.de
- German website Factornews talks about the game in 2009 here, calls it "vaporware"
- IGN says it's still in development in 2009 here
- GameInformer has this article from 2013, calling the game effectively cancelled.
I stopped there, but that's a fair bit already. It seems like the coverage is there to call this a notable subject, and that's from a normally deletion-minded editor. Red Phoenix talk 00:57, 1 July 2020 (UTC)- I have taken a couple more looks for more sources and came up dry. It's unfortunate because this seems to have a little more coverage than games that suffer the same fate, but being unable to find more, I have struck my keep !vote. And on a side note, I did NOT compare this to Sonic X-treme - I wrote that article and I know what kind of coverage it has. I was only bringing it up as an example that cancelled games can be notable and being cancelled alone does not mean a game is not notable. Red Phoenix talk 23:01, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I am not impressed that the sources posted by Red Phoenix, and I don't think they make it a WP:GNG pass here. Will try to look for the sources later, but leaning delete for now.
- 1) Just a quotation of what the developer said about the game, and a short commentary of the released screenshots. A trivial coverage.
- 2) A press release, WP:PRIMARY source
- 3) The only coverage related to 2 Days to Vegas directly is from the Steel Monkeys' deputy director, making it WP:PRIMARY
- 4) While great for expanding the development section, it is a WP:PRIMARY interview citing what had the team member said.
- 5) The source is of ambiguous reliability, and it's calling back to PC Games' interview (source 4)
- 6) Short bit that it's still in development, not a WP:SIGCOV
- 7) "This game began development in 2003" and "lists the game as being in development" is not a significant coverage. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 06:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Searched around and I've found other WP:ROUTINE trivial mentions on GameStar and a Gematsu article that relies on what Steel Monkeys' Tim Dvoskin said. This game was here compared to likes of Sonic X-treme, which is an extremely notable game with lots of in-depth post cancellation coverage by reliable sources, and Mata Nui that at least had an in-depth coverage of its remake by IGN. The subject doesn't have any significant coverage in multiple reliable sources beyond the expected things for an upcoming release, and so it fails WP:GNG. Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 06:44, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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