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The result was keep. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 22:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
2024 South African provincial elections
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No reason for this article to exist. User was BOLD in creating it, but there are individual articles for the provincial elections, and the results summary (which is all it is) belongs on the main page, where it was cut from. It also does not attribute the source article. Greenman ( talk) 10:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. This should really just be on the main article. Flemmish Nietzsche ( talk) 12:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, as the primary article is already very large, and it should remain mostly focused on the national parliamentary election. I propose keeping this article, and removing all the repeating content from the primary one.
- MapperGuy87 ( talk) 20:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep — The original article is very long and a page for subdivisional elections is common for systems like this. This page could be more in-depth but it makes far more sense to put a shorter summary (probably in a table form) on the "general election" page and keep the in-depth stuff here.
Watercheetah99 (
talk) 01:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think you've assessed the situation correctly. There are already in-depth (or what can become in-depth) pages for each individual provincial election. This intermediate page serves no purpose. The summary that it currently contains should be on the main page, and in-depth coverage should be on the individual pages.
Greenman (
talk) 13:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- No I'm aware, this is just a common element of approaches to similar systems. There are intermediate pages to link elections on the same subdivision level; for example: despite the fact that pretty much every locality's elections had a specific page, the 2024 United Kingdom local elections article exists and helps link the elections. An even better example are pages like 2022 United States gubernatorial elections or 2023 Nigerian gubernatorial elections, these intermediate pages are common and serve a purpose. If we wanted to completely overhaul the 2024 South African election pages, these examples could be models: there'd be an overview page ("2024 South African elections" based on 2024 United States elections) with a tables and short summaries on national, provincial, and local (by-) elections; there'd be separate 2024 South African general election and 2024 South African provincial elections pages; and there'd be pages for each provincial election. This would shorten each article and avoid the current overlap of each page. Those are just my suggestions and probably too much work, but I'm still a Keep for this discussion. Watercheetah99 ( talk) 04:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think you've assessed the situation correctly. There are already in-depth (or what can become in-depth) pages for each individual provincial election. This intermediate page serves no purpose. The summary that it currently contains should be on the main page, and in-depth coverage should be on the individual pages.
Greenman (
talk) 13:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Seems reasonable to have a summary article that keeps all the provincial election results in one place and links out to more detailed articles. As Watercheetah says, this is fairly standard practice (e.g. 2023 Italian regional elections). Number 5 7 21:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 22:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
2024 South African provincial elections
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No reason for this article to exist. User was BOLD in creating it, but there are individual articles for the provincial elections, and the results summary (which is all it is) belongs on the main page, where it was cut from. It also does not attribute the source article. Greenman ( talk) 10:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Greenman ( talk) 10:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and South Africa. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:25, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. This should really just be on the main article. Flemmish Nietzsche ( talk) 12:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, as the primary article is already very large, and it should remain mostly focused on the national parliamentary election. I propose keeping this article, and removing all the repeating content from the primary one.
- MapperGuy87 ( talk) 20:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep — The original article is very long and a page for subdivisional elections is common for systems like this. This page could be more in-depth but it makes far more sense to put a shorter summary (probably in a table form) on the "general election" page and keep the in-depth stuff here.
Watercheetah99 (
talk) 01:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think you've assessed the situation correctly. There are already in-depth (or what can become in-depth) pages for each individual provincial election. This intermediate page serves no purpose. The summary that it currently contains should be on the main page, and in-depth coverage should be on the individual pages.
Greenman (
talk) 13:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- No I'm aware, this is just a common element of approaches to similar systems. There are intermediate pages to link elections on the same subdivision level; for example: despite the fact that pretty much every locality's elections had a specific page, the 2024 United Kingdom local elections article exists and helps link the elections. An even better example are pages like 2022 United States gubernatorial elections or 2023 Nigerian gubernatorial elections, these intermediate pages are common and serve a purpose. If we wanted to completely overhaul the 2024 South African election pages, these examples could be models: there'd be an overview page ("2024 South African elections" based on 2024 United States elections) with a tables and short summaries on national, provincial, and local (by-) elections; there'd be separate 2024 South African general election and 2024 South African provincial elections pages; and there'd be pages for each provincial election. This would shorten each article and avoid the current overlap of each page. Those are just my suggestions and probably too much work, but I'm still a Keep for this discussion. Watercheetah99 ( talk) 04:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think you've assessed the situation correctly. There are already in-depth (or what can become in-depth) pages for each individual provincial election. This intermediate page serves no purpose. The summary that it currently contains should be on the main page, and in-depth coverage should be on the individual pages.
Greenman (
talk) 13:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Seems reasonable to have a summary article that keeps all the provincial election results in one place and links out to more detailed articles. As Watercheetah says, this is fairly standard practice (e.g. 2023 Italian regional elections). Number 5 7 21:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.