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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 13:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
2023 Merdeka Tournament
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Align with WP:TOOSOON, above that wikipedia is NOTNEWS, seems WP:FUTURE. Along with that have citation concern, the first link added is not even a citation, Ref 2 says some countries, mismatch with Ref 3 where 2 countries mentioned. The article can be created when there is a formal announcement of Teams, Venue, Date and Format. Its too early seems crystalball. Drat8sub ( talk) 08:37, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Malaysia. Shellwood ( talk) 10:42, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Merdeka Tournament, does not need a separate article. Giant Snowman 17:20, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep [1], [2], [3], [4], Historic competition renewing for this year. I rather thought it interesting when in 1966 the King opened up the tournament. [5], clearly there is a lot of history to it. It seems important to Asian international football. I truly don't think you're bothering doing a WP:BEFORE and feel this is a bad nomination. Govvy ( talk) 09:53, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Note:I never said, the 2023 edition does not need an article, never said, this is not historical tournament or not important in Asian football. I just pointed out that the article created too soon as no schedule, no team, no venue has been announce by the host federation, which is enough to say its align with TOOSOON. So not a bad nom at all but a justified one for now. When they announces all these then it can be created, otherwise the team written in the article and venue or the format all are aligning with WP:NOTNEWS. Drat8sub ( talk) 15:48, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note to other editors, Drat8sub has removed 90% of the page after sending article to AfD. I honestly feel it should be restored. Govvy ( talk) 07:21, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
- Exactly, when 90% is not sourced or unannounced contents, schedule, format, venue, time, teams (not confirmed by MFA, provided sources contradicts each other) nothing is announced yet, but providing such in wikipedia will make wikipedia a news. Mentioned in the edit summary too. Thank you. Drat8sub ( talk) 07:30, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 08:48, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Long-standing tournament.-- Dl.thinker ( talk) 13:53, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - Per above. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 17:38, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep I have added references from official as well as secondary sources. Should pass WP:GNG. Also refer to my reply to Drat8sub under the note below. Dhruv edits ( talk) 03:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Note for closing admin: However, I am sure, but still saying kindly read the arguements instead of votes. Till now users infavour of keeping the article pointed out reason like historical tournament, Importance, long-standing tournament, but failed to refute the points on guidelines like Article for creation, WP:TOOSOON, WP:GNG, WP:NOTNEWS etc. In reality the tournament is not announced yet formally, just like we will not create an article on 2038 FIFA World Cup based on few secondary unrelaible sources. My argument was never that the article should not be created, my argument was always to be created when the tournament be announced by MFA and follows notability and verifiability but not on speculations or crystalball. That's why it's better to create draft rather than such stubs which fails many criteria & guidelines. Drat8sub ( talk) 09:45, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- @ Drat8sub The tournament was announced by Malaysian FA on 5 April 2023. The dates, teams and venue has been announced by the FA. I have added official announcement as a ref. Also enough references from secondary sources have been added about the upcoming tournament to pass WP:GNG. I have reverted your deletion and added refs for all the information that was previously unsourced. Dhruv edits ( talk) 03:28, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep it The tournament was created by me and its will begin soon. The format and teams details will announced later this month. Thanks all.— Preceding unsigned comment added by MD Hydrogen 123 ( talk • contribs) 15:53, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep A new edition of a well-known tournament Svartner ( talk) 13:15, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep, passes GNG.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 16:12, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per above Long-standing tournament. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 08:43, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 13:05, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
2023 Merdeka Tournament
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Align with WP:TOOSOON, above that wikipedia is NOTNEWS, seems WP:FUTURE. Along with that have citation concern, the first link added is not even a citation, Ref 2 says some countries, mismatch with Ref 3 where 2 countries mentioned. The article can be created when there is a formal announcement of Teams, Venue, Date and Format. Its too early seems crystalball. Drat8sub ( talk) 08:37, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Malaysia. Shellwood ( talk) 10:42, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:05, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lebanon, Palestine, and India. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Merdeka Tournament, does not need a separate article. Giant Snowman 17:20, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
- Keep [1], [2], [3], [4], Historic competition renewing for this year. I rather thought it interesting when in 1966 the King opened up the tournament. [5], clearly there is a lot of history to it. It seems important to Asian international football. I truly don't think you're bothering doing a WP:BEFORE and feel this is a bad nomination. Govvy ( talk) 09:53, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
Note:I never said, the 2023 edition does not need an article, never said, this is not historical tournament or not important in Asian football. I just pointed out that the article created too soon as no schedule, no team, no venue has been announce by the host federation, which is enough to say its align with TOOSOON. So not a bad nom at all but a justified one for now. When they announces all these then it can be created, otherwise the team written in the article and venue or the format all are aligning with WP:NOTNEWS. Drat8sub ( talk) 15:48, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
- Note to other editors, Drat8sub has removed 90% of the page after sending article to AfD. I honestly feel it should be restored. Govvy ( talk) 07:21, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
- Exactly, when 90% is not sourced or unannounced contents, schedule, format, venue, time, teams (not confirmed by MFA, provided sources contradicts each other) nothing is announced yet, but providing such in wikipedia will make wikipedia a news. Mentioned in the edit summary too. Thank you. Drat8sub ( talk) 07:30, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 08:48, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Long-standing tournament.-- Dl.thinker ( talk) 13:53, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - Per above. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 17:38, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep I have added references from official as well as secondary sources. Should pass WP:GNG. Also refer to my reply to Drat8sub under the note below. Dhruv edits ( talk) 03:31, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Note for closing admin: However, I am sure, but still saying kindly read the arguements instead of votes. Till now users infavour of keeping the article pointed out reason like historical tournament, Importance, long-standing tournament, but failed to refute the points on guidelines like Article for creation, WP:TOOSOON, WP:GNG, WP:NOTNEWS etc. In reality the tournament is not announced yet formally, just like we will not create an article on 2038 FIFA World Cup based on few secondary unrelaible sources. My argument was never that the article should not be created, my argument was always to be created when the tournament be announced by MFA and follows notability and verifiability but not on speculations or crystalball. That's why it's better to create draft rather than such stubs which fails many criteria & guidelines. Drat8sub ( talk) 09:45, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
- @ Drat8sub The tournament was announced by Malaysian FA on 5 April 2023. The dates, teams and venue has been announced by the FA. I have added official announcement as a ref. Also enough references from secondary sources have been added about the upcoming tournament to pass WP:GNG. I have reverted your deletion and added refs for all the information that was previously unsourced. Dhruv edits ( talk) 03:28, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep it The tournament was created by me and its will begin soon. The format and teams details will announced later this month. Thanks all.— Preceding unsigned comment added by MD Hydrogen 123 ( talk • contribs) 15:53, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep A new edition of a well-known tournament Svartner ( talk) 13:15, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep, passes GNG.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 16:12, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per above Long-standing tournament. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 08:43, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
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