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The result was merge to MLB London Series. RL0919 ( talk) 20:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Non notable series with no non-routine coverage that can be covered sufficiently at MLB London Series. Esolo5002 ( talk) 18:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I agree that the current state of the article is not great, but
no non-routine coverage
is just an odd thing to say when WP:BEFORE is conducted. Here's CNN, a news site that doesn't often cover baseball. Here's from The Guardian. I could keep going but that seems unnecessary. – Muboshgu ( talk) 18:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC) - Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Baseball and United Kingdom. Shellwood ( talk) 18:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and England. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, although "notable" is something of a red herring. Other than the full team rosters, all of this information should be in the
MLB London Series article. MLB has demonstrated that neutral-site international games are not so unique that there should be be stand-alone articles for each of them.
Walsh90210 (
talk)
19:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'd argue it's about the same as the yearly world series, you have articles about it every year. This has become an annual thing as well.
Oaktree b (
talk)
20:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think this is a poor comparison; the World Series decides the MLB champion and therefore receives commensurate coverage in newspaper articles, books, and documentaries produced well after the games are played, with some books (such as [1] [2] [3]) being dedicated to just one World Series. While it's WP:TOOSOON to say if particular London Series will garner the same sort of coverage, we can say for certain that it doesn't exist yet, and therefore it would be more appropriate to develop a summary of each year's series in the parent article until it becomes clear that standalone articles for each year's series are warranted. Hatman31 (he/him · talk · contribs) 20:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'd argue it's about the same as the yearly world series, you have articles about it every year. This has become an annual thing as well.
Oaktree b (
talk)
20:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, fails WP:NSPORTSEVENT. Hatman31 (he/him · talk · contribs) 19:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: How is this not notable, when we have pages of hits in RS in both US and UK media? What's already in the article is RS
[4],
[5],
[6],
[7], this
[8] from French media, a year before the event. It's gotten sustained coverage.
Oaktree b (
talk)
20:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is there sustained coverage of the 2023 series, or is the coverage this year of the 2024 London Series? Walsh90210 ( talk) 20:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge While there is sufficient coverage and content to create separate articles for each year of the London Series, the same could probably be said of any MLB regular season series. The location of the games is the thing that is particularly notable, and that aspect can be included in MLB London Series. Since only three series have been played so far, details of each year can comfortably be merged into the parent article at present. I suppose if the series did continue for many years then the main article might become too long and detailed, so at that point we might want to remove things like line scores. -- Jameboy ( talk) 23:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge this wasn't really different from any regular season series apart from the fact the game was held internationally. Can easily be covered in the parent page. SportingFlyer T· C 06:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge but not per nom as the individual 2023 series is clearly a notable topic with lasting coverage. However merge per WP:NOPAGE as this and all other years of baseball in Europe can be sufficiently be done o the single parent page. Frank Anchor 01:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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The result was merge to MLB London Series. RL0919 ( talk) 20:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Non notable series with no non-routine coverage that can be covered sufficiently at MLB London Series. Esolo5002 ( talk) 18:19, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I agree that the current state of the article is not great, but
no non-routine coverage
is just an odd thing to say when WP:BEFORE is conducted. Here's CNN, a news site that doesn't often cover baseball. Here's from The Guardian. I could keep going but that seems unnecessary. – Muboshgu ( talk) 18:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC) - Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Baseball and United Kingdom. Shellwood ( talk) 18:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and England. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, although "notable" is something of a red herring. Other than the full team rosters, all of this information should be in the
MLB London Series article. MLB has demonstrated that neutral-site international games are not so unique that there should be be stand-alone articles for each of them.
Walsh90210 (
talk)
19:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'd argue it's about the same as the yearly world series, you have articles about it every year. This has become an annual thing as well.
Oaktree b (
talk)
20:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think this is a poor comparison; the World Series decides the MLB champion and therefore receives commensurate coverage in newspaper articles, books, and documentaries produced well after the games are played, with some books (such as [1] [2] [3]) being dedicated to just one World Series. While it's WP:TOOSOON to say if particular London Series will garner the same sort of coverage, we can say for certain that it doesn't exist yet, and therefore it would be more appropriate to develop a summary of each year's series in the parent article until it becomes clear that standalone articles for each year's series are warranted. Hatman31 (he/him · talk · contribs) 20:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'd argue it's about the same as the yearly world series, you have articles about it every year. This has become an annual thing as well.
Oaktree b (
talk)
20:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, fails WP:NSPORTSEVENT. Hatman31 (he/him · talk · contribs) 19:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: How is this not notable, when we have pages of hits in RS in both US and UK media? What's already in the article is RS
[4],
[5],
[6],
[7], this
[8] from French media, a year before the event. It's gotten sustained coverage.
Oaktree b (
talk)
20:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is there sustained coverage of the 2023 series, or is the coverage this year of the 2024 London Series? Walsh90210 ( talk) 20:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge While there is sufficient coverage and content to create separate articles for each year of the London Series, the same could probably be said of any MLB regular season series. The location of the games is the thing that is particularly notable, and that aspect can be included in MLB London Series. Since only three series have been played so far, details of each year can comfortably be merged into the parent article at present. I suppose if the series did continue for many years then the main article might become too long and detailed, so at that point we might want to remove things like line scores. -- Jameboy ( talk) 23:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge this wasn't really different from any regular season series apart from the fact the game was held internationally. Can easily be covered in the parent page. SportingFlyer T· C 06:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge but not per nom as the individual 2023 series is clearly a notable topic with lasting coverage. However merge per WP:NOPAGE as this and all other years of baseball in Europe can be sufficiently be done o the single parent page. Frank Anchor 01:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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