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The result was delete. The arguments to keep are quite weak; neither addresses the notability of this subject directly, and the one attempt below to provide WP:SIGCOV does not succeed. Vanamonde ( Talk) 23:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
2022β23 Al-Ahli Club (Manama) season
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Club plays in the Bahraini Premier League which are not fully-professional. Same goes for Al-Hala SC. It does not include any citations furthermore. Sakiv ( talk) 18:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep - nomination is flawed, articles can and do meet GNG - as this one does. Also, these articles are routinely kept, on the contrary user:Sakiv trolled me when I wrote 1993-94 Real Zaragoza season, 1994-95 Real Zaragoza season, 1995-96 Real Zaragoza season, 1996-97 Real Zaragoza season, 1997-98 Real Zaragoza season, then, suddenly Sakiv stole my article 1999-2000 Real Zaragoza season from my sandbox. It was an aberration. He wrote a soulless article just to troll me.
-
HugoAcosta9 (
talk)
22:32, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- What?? Pure nonsense! Speak respectfully and don't deflect form the recent deletion nomination for useless articles you created. Will you create Bhutanese league club season articles next time? I was at the time working on Real Zaragoza articles and I didn't take anything from you. Try to take a break from Wikipedia because you are starting to make countless problems. Sakiv ( talk) 00:20, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- This WP:VAGUEWAVE keep !vote makes a claim of meeting GNG without providing any sources Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:51, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Who says that a league needs to be "fully-professional" to have season articles? For example, some teams in the Irish league have their own season articles and according to the outdated list, it is not considered as a professional league. Mwiqdoh ( talk) 13:51, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is an argument to avoid. If you have found some Irish seasons cited only to Soccerway, SofaScore etc. with no evidence of better coverage then please send them to AfD. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 07:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
Giant
Snowman
20:26, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ GiantSnowman: Sources for what? They are a lot of sources that show the games of this team this season if that's what you need. Mwiqdoh ( talk) 06:22, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please can you present some in this discussion? The only ones present in the article are Soccerway and SofaScore which are obviously insufficient
Spiderone
(Talk to Spider)
07:34, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
Spiderone: But what type of sources do you need? If you just need websites that show the games of the team this season, here are a few (
[1]
[2][
[3]
[4]
[5]
[6]). If you are not looking for sources for the games this season but something else, please tell me what you are looking for.
Mwiqdoh (
talk)
05:56, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
Mwiqdoh: significant prose coverage of the season from reliable sources such as newspapers or news websites. The sites you have linked are stats only and contain no meaningful prose whatsoever so do not meet GNG.
Wikipedia is not a database nor is it just an indiscriminate list of football scores.
Spiderone
(Talk to Spider)
07:16, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
Spiderone: The official Bahrain Football Association posts on Al-Ahli and all other clubs on Instagram and Twitter (
[7]
[8]). Also, on the official Bahraini FA website, they have a section for Al-Ahli (
[9]) Here are the regulations and schedules for the Bahraini competitions (
[10]). Here are news articles (this page is a list of the news article, click on the titles to get sent to that article's link.) (
[11]) Is this what you're looking for?
Mwiqdoh (
talk)
14:11, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- None of these show significant coverage about the 2022β23 Al-Ahli Club (Manama) season and none are from independent newspapers. Source analysis and delete recommendation to follow below. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:34, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- I've not checked them for suitability, but it's news articles and the like that will be used to establish notability. The stuff from the Bahrain FA isn't useful in establishing notability, because the FA and the league are highly connected.
- It's really important that you understand what Wikipedia means about notability and significant coverage. I strongly recommend reading and understanding this page because at the moment, you seem to be under the misapprehension that it's enough to simply provide evidence of something happening/existing. If you need further help, feel free to ask on my talk page. MarchOfTheGreyhounds ( talk) 14:45, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
Spiderone: The official Bahrain Football Association posts on Al-Ahli and all other clubs on Instagram and Twitter (
[7]
[8]). Also, on the official Bahraini FA website, they have a section for Al-Ahli (
[9]) Here are the regulations and schedules for the Bahraini competitions (
[10]). Here are news articles (this page is a list of the news article, click on the titles to get sent to that article's link.) (
[11]) Is this what you're looking for?
Mwiqdoh (
talk)
14:11, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
Mwiqdoh: significant prose coverage of the season from reliable sources such as newspapers or news websites. The sites you have linked are stats only and contain no meaningful prose whatsoever so do not meet GNG.
Wikipedia is not a database nor is it just an indiscriminate list of football scores.
Spiderone
(Talk to Spider)
07:16, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
Spiderone: But what type of sources do you need? If you just need websites that show the games of the team this season, here are a few (
[1]
[2][
[3]
[4]
[5]
[6]). If you are not looking for sources for the games this season but something else, please tell me what you are looking for.
Mwiqdoh (
talk)
05:56, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please can you present some in this discussion? The only ones present in the article are Soccerway and SofaScore which are obviously insufficient
Spiderone
(Talk to Spider)
07:34, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. We need to see some significant coverage to indicate the article meets GNG. At the moment, there are only database sources which are not enough. -- MarchOfTheGreyhounds ( talk) 14:17, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - strongest possible delete per my source analysis below Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Source assessment table:
| ||||
| Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| https://www.flashscore.info/team/al-ahli/tCs21SDo/ | 
|
? |  Sports stats, no prose - FlashScore is a database website with very low standards for inclusion
|
β No |
| https://www.sofascore.com/team/football/al-ahli-manama/45471 |
|
? | Sports stats, no prose - I have already mentioned previously that SofaScore is unacceptable in a notability discussion
|
β No |
| https://int.soccerway.com/teams/bahrain/al-ahli-manama/3616/ |
|
|
Sports stats, no prose - Soccerway is regularly dismissed at AfD
|
β No |
| https://www.soccer24.com/team/al-ahli/tCs21SDo/ |
|
? | Sports stats, no prose
|
β No |
| https://oddspedia.com/football/teams/al-ahli-manama-9160 |
|
|
Sports stats, no prose - also a betting site with limited editorial oversight
|
β No |
| https://www.livescore.in/team/al-ahli/tCs21SDo/ |
|
? | Sports stats, no prose
|
β No |
| https://www.instagram.com/bahrainfa/ | Account is run by the Bahraini FA
|
Instagram is social media so not reliable
|
Content does not show significant detail about Al-Ahli
|
β No |
| https://twitter.com/BahrainFA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Escreen-name%3AbahrainFA%7Ctwcon%5Es2 |
|
Social media
|
As above
|
β No |
| https://bfa.bh/team/al-ahli-sports-club/ | Bahraini FA
|
|
Content does not show significant detail about Al-Ahli
|
β No |
| https://bfa.bh/regulations/ |
|
|
Rules and regulations, no focus on Al-Ahli
|
β No |
| https://bfa.bh/blog/page/3/ | Bahraini FA
|
Blog
|
Blog stories which have no significant detail about Al-Ahli's current season
|
β No |
| This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}. | ||||
@ Sakiv and HugoAcosta9:, HugoAcosta9, you need to stop making personal comments, or take your dispute to the administrator noticeboard; AfD is not the place for it. Vanamonde ( Talk) 23:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC) Amending: Sakiv did not make personal comments here. Misread due to odd signature placement. Vanamonde ( Talk) 23:22, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. The arguments to keep are quite weak; neither addresses the notability of this subject directly, and the one attempt below to provide WP:SIGCOV does not succeed. Vanamonde ( Talk) 23:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
2022β23 Al-Ahli Club (Manama) season
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- 2022β23 Al-Ahli Club (Manama) season ( Β | talkΒ | historyΒ | protectΒ | deleteΒ | linksΒ | watchΒ | logsΒ | views) β ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources:Β Google ( booksΒ Β· newsΒ Β· scholarΒ Β· free imagesΒ Β· WPΒ refs)Β Β· FENSΒ Β· JSTORΒ Β· TWL)
Club plays in the Bahraini Premier League which are not fully-professional. Same goes for Al-Hala SC. It does not include any citations furthermore. Sakiv ( talk) 18:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Sakiv ( talk) 18:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bahrain-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 18:31, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:19, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - nomination is flawed, articles can and do meet GNG - as this one does. Also, these articles are routinely kept, on the contrary user:Sakiv trolled me when I wrote 1993-94 Real Zaragoza season, 1994-95 Real Zaragoza season, 1995-96 Real Zaragoza season, 1996-97 Real Zaragoza season, 1997-98 Real Zaragoza season, then, suddenly Sakiv stole my article 1999-2000 Real Zaragoza season from my sandbox. It was an aberration. He wrote a soulless article just to troll me.
-
HugoAcosta9 (
talk)
22:32, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- What?? Pure nonsense! Speak respectfully and don't deflect form the recent deletion nomination for useless articles you created. Will you create Bhutanese league club season articles next time? I was at the time working on Real Zaragoza articles and I didn't take anything from you. Try to take a break from Wikipedia because you are starting to make countless problems. Sakiv ( talk) 00:20, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- This WP:VAGUEWAVE keep !vote makes a claim of meeting GNG without providing any sources Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:51, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Who says that a league needs to be "fully-professional" to have season articles? For example, some teams in the Irish league have their own season articles and according to the outdated list, it is not considered as a professional league. Mwiqdoh ( talk) 13:51, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is an argument to avoid. If you have found some Irish seasons cited only to Soccerway, SofaScore etc. with no evidence of better coverage then please send them to AfD. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 07:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me.
Giant
Snowman
20:26, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ GiantSnowman: Sources for what? They are a lot of sources that show the games of this team this season if that's what you need. Mwiqdoh ( talk) 06:22, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please can you present some in this discussion? The only ones present in the article are Soccerway and SofaScore which are obviously insufficient
Spiderone
(Talk to Spider)
07:34, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
Spiderone: But what type of sources do you need? If you just need websites that show the games of the team this season, here are a few (
[1]
[2][
[3]
[4]
[5]
[6]). If you are not looking for sources for the games this season but something else, please tell me what you are looking for.
Mwiqdoh (
talk)
05:56, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
Mwiqdoh: significant prose coverage of the season from reliable sources such as newspapers or news websites. The sites you have linked are stats only and contain no meaningful prose whatsoever so do not meet GNG.
Wikipedia is not a database nor is it just an indiscriminate list of football scores.
Spiderone
(Talk to Spider)
07:16, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
Spiderone: The official Bahrain Football Association posts on Al-Ahli and all other clubs on Instagram and Twitter (
[7]
[8]). Also, on the official Bahraini FA website, they have a section for Al-Ahli (
[9]) Here are the regulations and schedules for the Bahraini competitions (
[10]). Here are news articles (this page is a list of the news article, click on the titles to get sent to that article's link.) (
[11]) Is this what you're looking for?
Mwiqdoh (
talk)
14:11, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- None of these show significant coverage about the 2022β23 Al-Ahli Club (Manama) season and none are from independent newspapers. Source analysis and delete recommendation to follow below. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:34, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- I've not checked them for suitability, but it's news articles and the like that will be used to establish notability. The stuff from the Bahrain FA isn't useful in establishing notability, because the FA and the league are highly connected.
- It's really important that you understand what Wikipedia means about notability and significant coverage. I strongly recommend reading and understanding this page because at the moment, you seem to be under the misapprehension that it's enough to simply provide evidence of something happening/existing. If you need further help, feel free to ask on my talk page. MarchOfTheGreyhounds ( talk) 14:45, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
Spiderone: The official Bahrain Football Association posts on Al-Ahli and all other clubs on Instagram and Twitter (
[7]
[8]). Also, on the official Bahraini FA website, they have a section for Al-Ahli (
[9]) Here are the regulations and schedules for the Bahraini competitions (
[10]). Here are news articles (this page is a list of the news article, click on the titles to get sent to that article's link.) (
[11]) Is this what you're looking for?
Mwiqdoh (
talk)
14:11, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
Mwiqdoh: significant prose coverage of the season from reliable sources such as newspapers or news websites. The sites you have linked are stats only and contain no meaningful prose whatsoever so do not meet GNG.
Wikipedia is not a database nor is it just an indiscriminate list of football scores.
Spiderone
(Talk to Spider)
07:16, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
Spiderone: But what type of sources do you need? If you just need websites that show the games of the team this season, here are a few (
[1]
[2][
[3]
[4]
[5]
[6]). If you are not looking for sources for the games this season but something else, please tell me what you are looking for.
Mwiqdoh (
talk)
05:56, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Please can you present some in this discussion? The only ones present in the article are Soccerway and SofaScore which are obviously insufficient
Spiderone
(Talk to Spider)
07:34, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. We need to see some significant coverage to indicate the article meets GNG. At the moment, there are only database sources which are not enough. -- MarchOfTheGreyhounds ( talk) 14:17, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - strongest possible delete per my source analysis below Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Source assessment table:
| ||||
| Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| https://www.flashscore.info/team/al-ahli/tCs21SDo/ |
|
? | Sports stats, no prose - FlashScore is a database website with very low standards for inclusion
|
β No |
| https://www.sofascore.com/team/football/al-ahli-manama/45471 |
|
? | Sports stats, no prose - I have already mentioned previously that SofaScore is unacceptable in a notability discussion
|
β No |
| https://int.soccerway.com/teams/bahrain/al-ahli-manama/3616/ |
|
|
Sports stats, no prose - Soccerway is regularly dismissed at AfD
|
β No |
| https://www.soccer24.com/team/al-ahli/tCs21SDo/ |
|
? | Sports stats, no prose
|
β No |
| https://oddspedia.com/football/teams/al-ahli-manama-9160 |
|
|
Sports stats, no prose - also a betting site with limited editorial oversight
|
β No |
| https://www.livescore.in/team/al-ahli/tCs21SDo/ |
|
? | Sports stats, no prose
|
β No |
| https://www.instagram.com/bahrainfa/ | Account is run by the Bahraini FA
|
Instagram is social media so not reliable
|
Content does not show significant detail about Al-Ahli
|
β No |
| https://twitter.com/BahrainFA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Escreen-name%3AbahrainFA%7Ctwcon%5Es2 |
|
Social media
|
As above
|
β No |
| https://bfa.bh/team/al-ahli-sports-club/ | Bahraini FA
|
|
Content does not show significant detail about Al-Ahli
|
β No |
| https://bfa.bh/regulations/ |
|
|
Rules and regulations, no focus on Al-Ahli
|
β No |
| https://bfa.bh/blog/page/3/ | Bahraini FA
|
Blog
|
Blog stories which have no significant detail about Al-Ahli's current season
|
β No |
| This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}. | ||||
@ Sakiv and HugoAcosta9:, HugoAcosta9, you need to stop making personal comments, or take your dispute to the administrator noticeboard; AfD is not the place for it. Vanamonde ( Talk) 23:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC) Amending: Sakiv did not make personal comments here. Misread due to odd signature placement. Vanamonde ( Talk) 23:22, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.