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The result was no consensus. After being relisted thrice, multiple dispositions about whether or not to keep, redirect or delete the article have been presented. Multiple cities experienced record breaking temperatures as well. ( non-admin closure) Jax 0677 ( talk) 01:18, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
2017 Pakistan heat wave
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Yeah, another extreme weather event. Can't see that this one is particularly notable. TheLongTone ( talk) 15:06, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- If kept take "record breaking" from the title. Notable weather events usually come with death and destruction. If it deaths came from this, keep. Hyperbolick ( talk) 15:20, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:32, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Environment-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:32, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:32, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment moved the article to 2017 Pakistan heat wave. No opinion yet on whether it should be deleted. Fuebaey ( talk) 18:13, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 00:15, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 00:15, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. The article indicates that "A severe heat wave with temperatures as high as 50°C hit Pakistan.." That is 122 degrees fahrenheit for American editors. The title of “Record breaking Heat wave of April 2017 in Pakistan” is unencyclopedic. Encyclopedic titles are Detective Joe Friday like “Just the facts, Ma’am” titles. The article should remain retitled “2017 Pakistan heat wave”. A
2015 Pakistan heat wave that hit
4549 celsius killed8002,000 people so there is no telling how many this heatwave will kill. The heatwave is currently building as reported by major news sources. [1] [2] Major news source reporting and the severity of the heat wave give the article WP:GNG. desmay ( talk) 01:12, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log ( step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2017 April 29. — cyberbot I Talk to my owner:Online 03:32, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. This article is interesting enough to keep. As long as it is updated to refelct current information then it may be worth keeping. Perhaps adding a graph of the temperatures throughout 2017 would be interesting for people to see the record highs and lows. Bmbaker88 ( talk) 13:55, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Exceptional all aspects of society affecting events are ofc notable. However, these kind of articles may be merged into one, if reports are scarce. And there may be future articles or studies discussing impacts (mortality, power plants, water, crops etc). prokaryotes ( talk) 12:52, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
- After two weeks, "reports are scarce" indeed, and we still see no evidence of "exceptional" impacts affecting "all aspects of society". Yes, this should be "merged into one" location: List of extreme weather records in Pakistan. — Patrug ( talk) 00:38, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete unless significant notability is suddenly established by multiple reliable sources, after two weeks with no content added to the article. Record measurements are not themselves notable enough for a stand-alone encyclopedia article, and so far the only other source for the article's content is a single health warning from a single assistant professor in a single local newspaper. Since the event fails WP:GNG & WP:SUSTAINED, it should simply be added to the dozen similar events tabulated at List of extreme weather records in Pakistan#List of cities with temperature of 50 °C or above. Contrast this with 2015 Pakistan heat wave to see how a moderately notable heatwave would be covered. — Patrug ( talk) 00:38, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh ( talk) 00:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh ( talk) 00:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- Merge into List of extreme weather records in Pakistan. Little to no coverage of the heatwave's impact by major news websites exist, i.e. WP:GNG isn't met. Right now the content only includes temperature records, and there's already an article for that. ~ KN2731 { talk} 11:13, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Article has been significantly improved with multiple reliable sources. - Mfarazbaig ( talk) 13:24, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To assess latest sources
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 19:06, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: To assess latest sources
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 19:06, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: Now 15 of the 17 sentences are just recitations of temperature measurements from local news sources that routinely report the weather every day. These sentences provide no significant info beyond the table of recorded temperatures. The only non-local source, a premature story from Al Jazeera, does not support any of the content in the Wikipedia article. The only claimed fatalities, 4 unknown seniors, with unknown causes of death, are not reliably attributed to the heat wave. This is simply not encyclopedic content for a stand-alone article following WP:GNG, WP:SUSTAINED, and our WP:NOTNEWSPAPER policy against routine news reporting. Nothing changes the above recommendations to merge into List of extreme weather records in Pakistan, which is where such events are properly recorded. — Patrug ( talk) 05:51, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Fails the GNG, NOTNEWS. d.g. L3X1 (distant write) 02:50, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete, NOTNEWS. Stifle ( talk) 10:29, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of extreme weather records in Pakistan; anything useful can be picked up from the article history. Compared to the article on the 2015 Pakistan heat wave, this one does not seem to have had the qualities of a natural disaster nor have it generated long-term societal impact. K.e.coffman ( talk) 23:46, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
- Merge, or Keep - I would argue that a temp of 124 F is notable per se, and should be included in the contemporary encyclopedia of record. Where it goes doesn't matter as long as it's searchable. Bearian ( talk) 00:08, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. After being relisted thrice, multiple dispositions about whether or not to keep, redirect or delete the article have been presented. Multiple cities experienced record breaking temperatures as well. ( non-admin closure) Jax 0677 ( talk) 01:18, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
2017 Pakistan heat wave
- 2017 Pakistan heat wave ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Yeah, another extreme weather event. Can't see that this one is particularly notable. TheLongTone ( talk) 15:06, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- If kept take "record breaking" from the title. Notable weather events usually come with death and destruction. If it deaths came from this, keep. Hyperbolick ( talk) 15:20, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:32, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Environment-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:32, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 15:32, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment moved the article to 2017 Pakistan heat wave. No opinion yet on whether it should be deleted. Fuebaey ( talk) 18:13, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 00:15, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 00:15, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. The article indicates that "A severe heat wave with temperatures as high as 50°C hit Pakistan.." That is 122 degrees fahrenheit for American editors. The title of “Record breaking Heat wave of April 2017 in Pakistan” is unencyclopedic. Encyclopedic titles are Detective Joe Friday like “Just the facts, Ma’am” titles. The article should remain retitled “2017 Pakistan heat wave”. A
2015 Pakistan heat wave that hit
4549 celsius killed8002,000 people so there is no telling how many this heatwave will kill. The heatwave is currently building as reported by major news sources. [1] [2] Major news source reporting and the severity of the heat wave give the article WP:GNG. desmay ( talk) 01:12, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log ( step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2017 April 29. — cyberbot I Talk to my owner:Online 03:32, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. This article is interesting enough to keep. As long as it is updated to refelct current information then it may be worth keeping. Perhaps adding a graph of the temperatures throughout 2017 would be interesting for people to see the record highs and lows. Bmbaker88 ( talk) 13:55, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Exceptional all aspects of society affecting events are ofc notable. However, these kind of articles may be merged into one, if reports are scarce. And there may be future articles or studies discussing impacts (mortality, power plants, water, crops etc). prokaryotes ( talk) 12:52, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
- After two weeks, "reports are scarce" indeed, and we still see no evidence of "exceptional" impacts affecting "all aspects of society". Yes, this should be "merged into one" location: List of extreme weather records in Pakistan. — Patrug ( talk) 00:38, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete unless significant notability is suddenly established by multiple reliable sources, after two weeks with no content added to the article. Record measurements are not themselves notable enough for a stand-alone encyclopedia article, and so far the only other source for the article's content is a single health warning from a single assistant professor in a single local newspaper. Since the event fails WP:GNG & WP:SUSTAINED, it should simply be added to the dozen similar events tabulated at List of extreme weather records in Pakistan#List of cities with temperature of 50 °C or above. Contrast this with 2015 Pakistan heat wave to see how a moderately notable heatwave would be covered. — Patrug ( talk) 00:38, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh ( talk) 00:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh ( talk) 00:23, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- Merge into List of extreme weather records in Pakistan. Little to no coverage of the heatwave's impact by major news websites exist, i.e. WP:GNG isn't met. Right now the content only includes temperature records, and there's already an article for that. ~ KN2731 { talk} 11:13, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Article has been significantly improved with multiple reliable sources. - Mfarazbaig ( talk) 13:24, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To assess latest sources
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 19:06, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
Relisting comment: To assess latest sources
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 19:06, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: Now 15 of the 17 sentences are just recitations of temperature measurements from local news sources that routinely report the weather every day. These sentences provide no significant info beyond the table of recorded temperatures. The only non-local source, a premature story from Al Jazeera, does not support any of the content in the Wikipedia article. The only claimed fatalities, 4 unknown seniors, with unknown causes of death, are not reliably attributed to the heat wave. This is simply not encyclopedic content for a stand-alone article following WP:GNG, WP:SUSTAINED, and our WP:NOTNEWSPAPER policy against routine news reporting. Nothing changes the above recommendations to merge into List of extreme weather records in Pakistan, which is where such events are properly recorded. — Patrug ( talk) 05:51, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete Fails the GNG, NOTNEWS. d.g. L3X1 (distant write) 02:50, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- Delete, NOTNEWS. Stifle ( talk) 10:29, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of extreme weather records in Pakistan; anything useful can be picked up from the article history. Compared to the article on the 2015 Pakistan heat wave, this one does not seem to have had the qualities of a natural disaster nor have it generated long-term societal impact. K.e.coffman ( talk) 23:46, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
- Merge, or Keep - I would argue that a temp of 124 F is notable per se, and should be included in the contemporary encyclopedia of record. Where it goes doesn't matter as long as it's searchable. Bearian ( talk) 00:08, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.