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The result was Keep CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 23:31, 29 January 2017 (UTC) reply

2011 Oklahoma State vs. Iowa State football game (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)

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No references backing up the article. Fbdave ( talk) 19:04, 21 January 2017 (UTC) reply

I have several sources I can add. This game had a huge impact on college football. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karmew32 ( talk • contribs) 20:41, 21 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Lepricavark ( talk) 21:40, 21 January 2017 (UTC) reply

• Keep methinks this AfD is premature. Give the article creator more time. Also, did the nominator do any WP:BEFORE? Lepricavark ( talk) 21:42, 21 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iowa-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 00:58, 22 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Oklahoma-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 00:58, 22 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Question: Why is this game notable? My understanding is it is notable, because it led to the formation of the College Football Playoff. Fbdave ( talk) 14:05, 22 January 2017 (UTC) reply

• Keep this game is clearly notable because of the overwhelming amount of coverage it received in third party reliable sources.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 15:06, 22 January 2017 (UTC) reply
• Keep This game is HUGE in the College Football World. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.113.66.100 ( talk) 19:04, 22 January 2017 (UTC) reply
• Keep The game had major implications at the time and the scope and breadth of the sources provided support the claim of notability for the article. Alansohn ( talk) 02:16, 23 January 2017 (UTC) reply
• Merge into 2011 Oklahoma State Cowboys football team for the material specifically related to Oklahoma State, 2011 Iowa State Cyclones football team for the Iowa State material, and 2012 BCS National Championship Game for the material explaining the impact this game had on the BCS. The College Football Playoff article can mention this game if deemed significant to the origins of that process. Most sources discussing this game will be of routine nature. The claims to greater significance use weasel words such as

The rematch is cited by many as and Thus, some people have marked and are cited to SBNation and Rivals.com, respectively, which I didn't realize we considered reliable sources for claims such as these. – Grondemar 06:20, 23 January 2017 (UTC) reply

• Keep Game had a significant impact on the future of college football. As such, it is clearly notable. Smartyllama ( talk) 13:52, 23 January 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete as nominator. References listed are at best an alternative history about what might have happened if the game result was different. This article regarding the CFP formation and cited by the SBNation reference, Playoff approved, questions remain makes no mention of the OSU-ISU game. In fact, it even has the quote, "I don't think there was a single moment [to spark change]," ACC commissioner John Swofford said. Fbdave ( talk) 02:11, 26 January 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Comment even if that were true, there is still more than enough significant third party coverage in reliable sources to more than surpass WP:GNG.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 21:08, 26 January 2017 (UTC) reply
    • @ Paulmcdonald: That's true for virtually every Division I-FBS college football game. Between national coverage on ESPN, CBS Sports, NBC Sports, USA Today, etc. and local coverage from multiple newspapers and TV stations, I could find the sources to meet WP:GNG for any game played at least for the last decade. That's why, in addition to GNG, we have WP:ROUTINE, which specifically says "Routine events such as sports matches...may be better covered as part of another article, if at all." We have historically required individual regular season games to show a greater level of notability than GNG, and this game, whose claim to greater notability rests on a dubious SBNation article, in my opinion does not meet our historical standards for inclusion. – Grondemar 00:00, 27 January 2017 (UTC) reply
      • @ Fbdave: Please do not vote twice. Your nomination counts as a delete vote. I would suggest you strike this additional vote to avoid confusion. Smartyllama ( talk) 18:18, 27 January 2017 (UTC) reply
      • Comment as nominator: I thought that the nominator was allowed to participate in the deletion discussion. Fbdave ( talk) 23:29, 27 January 2017 (UTC) reply
        • Sometimes a nominator may take a neutral position or even change their mind yet the AFD could remain open. The nominator is making their position clear and I see no bad faith.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 05:24, 28 January 2017 (UTC) reply
      • WP:NOTROUTINE the essay here provides arguments that "routine" is often over-used. I believe that is the case here as the coverage is far beyond the "routine coverage" of game scores only. There is significant, in-depth coverage of this game.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 05:22, 28 January 2017 (UTC) reply
        • Struck duplicate !vote from nominator above; the nomination is considered as your !vote. However, feel free to comment all you'd like. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:35, 29 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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