WIKIPEDIA:ARTICLES FOR DELETION 1998 ADCC SUBMISSION WRESTLING WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

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The result was delete. These are all non-notable events lacking significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Philg88 ^♦
talk 05:50, 18 October 2014 (UTC) reply

1998 ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship

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These and the following pages are yearly pages of a competition article just deleted by AfD (please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship. I personally voted for a week Keep but now that a decision has been made it makes sense (since they suffer from the same issue) to delete these as well. Note there are also articles for individual weight classes for some years but to avoid confusion I would take them in turn dependant on this AfD result. Peter Rehse ( talk) 13:31, 10 October 2014 (UTC) reply

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Delete all The only sources for these articles are either the ADCC or routine sports reporting. There is no significant independent coverage. If the sponsoring organization isn't notable, it's hard to make a case for their events being notable--especially without significant coverage. Mdtemp ( talk) 17:06, 10 October 2014 (UTC) reply
Note there was no template at 2001 ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship, I have since added it. Also there is a discussion on my talk page about the deletion of the main article, I will direct said user here. -- kelapstick^(
bainuu) 16:42, 11 October 2014 (UTC) reply
Keep all + restore main article. This is a major venue in the world of Grappling:

ESPN "The top grapplers in the world congregated in England this past weekend for the 2011 ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship. A bi-annual event, it's the most prestigious submission grappling tournament in the world and attracts fighters from across the globe."[ [1]] "The highly regarded Abu Dhabi Combat Club (ADCC) was instituted by Sheikh Tahnoon Bin Zayed Al Nahyan in the United Arab Emirates in 1998." [ [2]
Sports Illustrated "A year later, he failed to let go of a compromised limb during a submission grappling match at the famed Abu Dhabi Combat Club world championships." [ [3]] "Einemo is a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt who shined on one of the sport's big stages, the ADCC Submission Wrestling tournament, winning the championship in 2003" [ [4]
Bleacher Report "In late 2002, Bravo entered the North American Trails for the ADCC Submission Grappling Tournament, a qualifier for the toughest no gi competition in the world." [ [5]
SB Nation "One of the most prestigious grappling competitions in the world lands in China for the first time on October" [ [6]
Sherdog "Started in 1998, ADCC is the world’s most prestigious grappling competition. The world championships take place every two years and tournaments are held in five weight categories for the male competitors. Additionally, an open-weight “absolute” tournament is held, pitting top competitors from each weight class against one another to decide the competition’s supreme grappler." [ [7]

ADCC championship accolades are notable and widely used:

Fox Sports "Galvao is a two-time world champion as well as an ADCC (Abu Dhabi Combat Club) champion multiple times over including a championship in the absolute weight division." [ [8]
Yahoo! Sports "A jiu-jitsu black belt, Abu Dhabi Combat Club (ADCC) gold medalist, and multiple time Mundials winner, Souza is perhaps the best jiu-jitsu competitor inside the UFC today" [ [9]

Further more, most of the winners (gold, silver, bronze) in all weight classes of the articles suggested for deletion have their own wikipedia articles and are also wiki linked to the above. (and the main article that was bizarrely deleted). *this post has been updated Bigbaby23 ( talk) 18:27, 11 October 2014 (UTC) reply

With regards to your sources above, they would have been helpful at the previous AfD. Looking at them, the only one that may help to confer notability onto ADCC (in my eyes) is the ESPN article (which I am unable to open now to verify). Having said that, the individual article alone is not enough.-- kelapstick^(
bainuu) 17:30, 11 October 2014 (UTC) reply

Delete all None of these articles have any significant independent coverage--they're just a list of results. Some of the articles have no sources at all. I believe WP:NOTSTATSBOOK and WP:GNG both argue for deletion. This is not the place to discuss the parent article since, even if it existed, these articles don't show a reason for being kept. Papaursa ( talk) 17:04, 12 October 2014 (UTC) reply
Delete all I might support the merging of all of them to a single article, but I believe that the event isn't notable. CrazyAces489 ( talk) 08:12, 13 October 2014 (UTC) reply
Keep There are more sources being compiled at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 October 11. In my view, there are already enough to establish notability of the topic in the relevant sense for Wikipedia. The remaining question for these individual articles is how best to organize the information. The weight class articles do seem excessively subdivided, and they could be merged back into their parent years without any loss of information or readability. However, I don't think there is much of a point to merging different years together. Melchoir ( talk) 06:07, 16 October 2014 (UTC) reply

The merging of the weight classes is a minimum and already done for several of the years. I really don't think there is a place in Wikipedia for just listing of results although that hasn't stopped anyone. I think each of the years might have relevance if there could be some prose added but that depends on whether the main article is re-added. If it is - I do hope there is some effort made to add the new sources and expand the article beyond the two sentences and a table it was. Peter Rehse ( talk) 13:10, 16 October 2014 (UTC) reply

Comment All of those voting keep seem to be confused about what this discussion is about. It's not about whether the ADCC is notable, it's about whether or not each of these individual events is notable. None of them seem to have significant coverage, some have no sources at all, so GNG is not met and neither is WP:NEVENT. Mdtemp ( talk) 18:16, 16 October 2014 (UTC) reply

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