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The result was keep. czar 02:22, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
1998–99 Scottish Junior Cup
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To me this article doesn't seem to be notable per my view of WP:NSPORTSEVENT. It is an article about a specific single event (1998-99 junior cup) in junior sports lacking the significant coverage necessary to pass guidelines as a standalone article and is merely an incomplete (mostly blank) listing of stats. I believe it somewhat telling that not all years are covered and most don't have their own independent articles, merely being self-referential redirects like 2002–03 in Scottish football#Cup honours and 2004–05 in Scottish football#Cup honours. I think it's necessary to see if the editorial community sees any notability here. TheSandDoctor Talk 02:16, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
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- Comment: For context, it may be worth mentioning that this is not a competition in "junior sports" in the sense of age, but a competition between teams under the auspices of the
Scottish Junior Football Association. (Anyone expecting fresh-faced youngsters would be surprised by the greying and receding hair at a typical Junior match.) The Junior Cup Final has been broadcast live on BBC Scotland/Alba for many years, as presumably was the Kilwinning v Kelty final in the year in question.
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08:35, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- @ AllyD: - yes, it does seem to have been shown on TV, bits of it are on YouTube -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:57, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
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- It's the Scottish equivalent of the FA Trophy? FA Vase? A newspapers.com search brings up 12,000 results for "Scottish Junior Cup" but then stops at 1899, an internet search brings up coverage, especially of the final, but not of this particular season. I don't want to make a must be sources argument, but I think it's very likely salvageable if anyone has access to sources from that era.
SportingFlyer
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10:09, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- National press coverage of the final added to the article, will look for more later....... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 10:16, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - a notable competition which attracts national press coverage (and there have been books published on its history), I don't see an issue with having articles on individual seasons, although as noted above it does of course need finishing. Noting again that "junior" in the title does not indicate that this is a children's competition, it is a term specific to Scotland for adult men's football below the professional level -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:46, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per ChrisTheDude's improvement and argument, and my comment above, which has now been resolved. SportingFlyer T· C 12:50, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Chris Spiderone 13:16, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep The final was covered on STV as were many others. The Juniors get lots of coverage in the newspapers so the chances of this edition of the cup receiving little media attention is miniscule. Dougal18 ( talk) 13:29, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Chris and above. Giant Snowman 14:29, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - as noted above this is a major, well-known competition in Scotland. As noted "junior" has nothing to do with age and these matches, particularly in the latter stages, attract significant press interest. My memory is that all the finals in the 1990s were televised across Scotland. The competition has a long history which has been covered in various books and I certainly would not be opposed to more coverage of its individual seasons. Dunarc ( talk) 20:45, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per ChrisTheDude's improvements. — Toughpigs ( talk) 20:54, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. czar 02:22, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
1998–99 Scottish Junior Cup
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To me this article doesn't seem to be notable per my view of WP:NSPORTSEVENT. It is an article about a specific single event (1998-99 junior cup) in junior sports lacking the significant coverage necessary to pass guidelines as a standalone article and is merely an incomplete (mostly blank) listing of stats. I believe it somewhat telling that not all years are covered and most don't have their own independent articles, merely being self-referential redirects like 2002–03 in Scottish football#Cup honours and 2004–05 in Scottish football#Cup honours. I think it's necessary to see if the editorial community sees any notability here. TheSandDoctor Talk 02:16, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. TheSandDoctor Talk 02:16, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 02:42, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: For context, it may be worth mentioning that this is not a competition in "junior sports" in the sense of age, but a competition between teams under the auspices of the
Scottish Junior Football Association. (Anyone expecting fresh-faced youngsters would be surprised by the greying and receding hair at a typical Junior match.) The Junior Cup Final has been broadcast live on BBC Scotland/Alba for many years, as presumably was the Kilwinning v Kelty final in the year in question.
AllyD (
talk)
08:35, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- @ AllyD: - yes, it does seem to have been shown on TV, bits of it are on YouTube -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:57, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 09:48, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
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- It's the Scottish equivalent of the FA Trophy? FA Vase? A newspapers.com search brings up 12,000 results for "Scottish Junior Cup" but then stops at 1899, an internet search brings up coverage, especially of the final, but not of this particular season. I don't want to make a must be sources argument, but I think it's very likely salvageable if anyone has access to sources from that era.
SportingFlyer
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C
10:09, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- National press coverage of the final added to the article, will look for more later....... -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 10:16, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - a notable competition which attracts national press coverage (and there have been books published on its history), I don't see an issue with having articles on individual seasons, although as noted above it does of course need finishing. Noting again that "junior" in the title does not indicate that this is a children's competition, it is a term specific to Scotland for adult men's football below the professional level -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:46, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per ChrisTheDude's improvement and argument, and my comment above, which has now been resolved. SportingFlyer T· C 12:50, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Chris Spiderone 13:16, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep The final was covered on STV as were many others. The Juniors get lots of coverage in the newspapers so the chances of this edition of the cup receiving little media attention is miniscule. Dougal18 ( talk) 13:29, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per Chris and above. Giant Snowman 14:29, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - as noted above this is a major, well-known competition in Scotland. As noted "junior" has nothing to do with age and these matches, particularly in the latter stages, attract significant press interest. My memory is that all the finals in the 1990s were televised across Scotland. The competition has a long history which has been covered in various books and I certainly would not be opposed to more coverage of its individual seasons. Dunarc ( talk) 20:45, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per ChrisTheDude's improvements. — Toughpigs ( talk) 20:54, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
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