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The result was no consensus. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
1996–97 FK Vardar season
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSEASONS Spiderone 08:12, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of North Macedonia-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 08:12, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom, fails GNG/NSEASONS. Giant Snowman 18:51, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NSEASONS failure. Number 5 7 09:37, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Top club from a professional league, plenty of sources. Ludost Mlačani ( talk) 21:06, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- Please can you direct me to reliable sources covering this topic in depth?
Spiderone
11:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Дневник, Вечер, Нова Македонија, спорт... 1996 and 1997.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
17:44, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Maybe we should move these articles to the draft space while a user works on trying to get the content from Nova Makedonija to build this article into something that might pass GNG? In its current state, it's way off.
Spiderone
18:09, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Well notability guideline clearly states that "notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article" and that "if it is likely that significant coverage in independent sources can be found for a topic, deletion due to lack of notability is inappropriate."
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
21:26, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I beg to differ and I don't believe that such sources exist. Your argument reminds me of the essay
WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES
Spiderone
22:06, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Well, then you clearly know nothing about our football. Claiming that there no sources for Vardar in Macedonia is like claiming I do not know... there are no sources for Real Madrid in Spain. Ludost Mlačani ( talk) 10:35, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I beg to differ and I don't believe that such sources exist. Your argument reminds me of the essay
WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES
Spiderone
22:06, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Well notability guideline clearly states that "notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article" and that "if it is likely that significant coverage in independent sources can be found for a topic, deletion due to lack of notability is inappropriate."
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
21:26, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Maybe we should move these articles to the draft space while a user works on trying to get the content from Nova Makedonija to build this article into something that might pass GNG? In its current state, it's way off.
Spiderone
18:09, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Дневник, Вечер, Нова Македонија, спорт... 1996 and 1997.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
17:44, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- I can quote AfD itself here If you wish for an article to be kept, you can directly improve the article to address the reasons for deletion given in the nomination. You can search out reliable sources, and refute the deletion arguments given using policy, guidelines, and examples from our good and featured articles. If you believe the article topic is valid and encyclopedic, and it lacks only references and other minor changes to survive, you may request help in the task by listing the article on the rescue list in accordance with instructions given at WP:RSL Spiderone 14:21, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Please can you direct me to reliable sources covering this topic in depth?
Spiderone
11:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Vardar are the most popular football club in North Macedonia, it would be stunning if this season failed WP:GNG, but it's also going to be difficult to find internet sources for this season. SportingFlyer T· C 12:47, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: claims of sources existing, they could be offline, but more specific comment is needed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 15:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: claims of sources existing, they could be offline, but more specific comment is needed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 15:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - I've left a comment on the talk page of User:Jolicnikola asking if they can prove that these articles meet GNG through sources Spiderone 16:31, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Jolicnikola:, if you are aware of any sources that show this season can meet WP:GNG, please share with us. Spiderone 07:07, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Nomination falsely claims that NSEASONS isn't met. Not only is this a team in a top professional league, it's a top team in the top tier, and played in the
1996–97 UEFA Cup (the predecessor competition to the
UEFA Europa League this season. Referencing should be improved - but that's not a deletion criteria.
Nfitz (
talk)
23:20, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- Playing continental football does not make a season notable. Dougal18 ( talk) 09:43, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
1996–97 FK Vardar season
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- 1996–97 FK Vardar season ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSEASONS Spiderone 08:12, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of North Macedonia-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 08:12, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 08:13, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 08:13, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone 08:16, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, fails GNG/NSEASONS. Giant Snowman 18:51, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NSEASONS failure. Number 5 7 09:37, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Top club from a professional league, plenty of sources. Ludost Mlačani ( talk) 21:06, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- Please can you direct me to reliable sources covering this topic in depth?
Spiderone
11:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Дневник, Вечер, Нова Македонија, спорт... 1996 and 1997.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
17:44, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Maybe we should move these articles to the draft space while a user works on trying to get the content from Nova Makedonija to build this article into something that might pass GNG? In its current state, it's way off.
Spiderone
18:09, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Well notability guideline clearly states that "notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article" and that "if it is likely that significant coverage in independent sources can be found for a topic, deletion due to lack of notability is inappropriate."
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
21:26, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I beg to differ and I don't believe that such sources exist. Your argument reminds me of the essay
WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES
Spiderone
22:06, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Well, then you clearly know nothing about our football. Claiming that there no sources for Vardar in Macedonia is like claiming I do not know... there are no sources for Real Madrid in Spain. Ludost Mlačani ( talk) 10:35, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I beg to differ and I don't believe that such sources exist. Your argument reminds me of the essay
WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES
Spiderone
22:06, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Well notability guideline clearly states that "notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article" and that "if it is likely that significant coverage in independent sources can be found for a topic, deletion due to lack of notability is inappropriate."
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
21:26, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Maybe we should move these articles to the draft space while a user works on trying to get the content from Nova Makedonija to build this article into something that might pass GNG? In its current state, it's way off.
Spiderone
18:09, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Дневник, Вечер, Нова Македонија, спорт... 1996 and 1997.
Ludost Mlačani (
talk)
17:44, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- I can quote AfD itself here If you wish for an article to be kept, you can directly improve the article to address the reasons for deletion given in the nomination. You can search out reliable sources, and refute the deletion arguments given using policy, guidelines, and examples from our good and featured articles. If you believe the article topic is valid and encyclopedic, and it lacks only references and other minor changes to survive, you may request help in the task by listing the article on the rescue list in accordance with instructions given at WP:RSL Spiderone 14:21, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
- Please can you direct me to reliable sources covering this topic in depth?
Spiderone
11:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
- Vardar are the most popular football club in North Macedonia, it would be stunning if this season failed WP:GNG, but it's also going to be difficult to find internet sources for this season. SportingFlyer T· C 12:47, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: claims of sources existing, they could be offline, but more specific comment is needed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 15:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: claims of sources existing, they could be offline, but more specific comment is needed.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 15:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - I've left a comment on the talk page of User:Jolicnikola asking if they can prove that these articles meet GNG through sources Spiderone 16:31, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:30, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
@ Jolicnikola:, if you are aware of any sources that show this season can meet WP:GNG, please share with us. Spiderone 07:07, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Nomination falsely claims that NSEASONS isn't met. Not only is this a team in a top professional league, it's a top team in the top tier, and played in the
1996–97 UEFA Cup (the predecessor competition to the
UEFA Europa League this season. Referencing should be improved - but that's not a deletion criteria.
Nfitz (
talk)
23:20, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- Playing continental football does not make a season notable. Dougal18 ( talk) 09:43, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.