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The result was delete. –  Joe ( talk) 14:04, 6 December 2022 (UTC) reply

1994–95 Tigres UANL season

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Season-article without any sources for the season itself The Banner  talk 09:35, 4 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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Excuse me Mister user:JTtheOG Hello Sir, I'm created The article 1994-95 Tigres UANL season and you reviewed during autumn, now The Banner and his friends wants to delete the article even it is properly sourced. Can you post that the article is not unsourced?. Thank you. HugoAcosta9 ( talk) 20:35, 5 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Greetings Mister The Banner, regards the matches, positions by round subsection, results by round subsection the source came from RSSSF https://www.rsssf.org/tablesm/mex95.html it is the same used by 1994-95 Mexican Primera Division season and it is detailed by the Spanish version of that article, then I structured the matches section based on that info. The source it is included now. HugoAcosta9 ( talk) 22:04, 5 October 2022 (UTC) reply

The article was reviewed by user:JTtheOG and includes 7 references/sources/links: [1], [2], [3] [4], [5], [6]. The Competitions section links two tables to 1994-95 Mexican Primera Division season the subsection results by round or position by round is properly sourced and linked to https://www.rsssf.org/tablesm/mex95.html same applies to subsection Matches. It is not copyviolation due to it does not exist a similar page on RSSSF, there is a Overall page including 259 teams and hundreds of matches. However my article contains only the matches for the club in question and I did not copy from that site and paste over here, I use the info even it is clear is not the same. Also, that information is available on the Wikipedia Spanish version of 1994-95 Mexican Primera Division season and RSSSF states: "You are free to copy this document in whole or part provided that proper acknowledgement is given to the authors. All rights reserved." Acknowledgements properly included. HugoAcosta9 ( talk) 16:57, 6 October 2022 (UTC) reply

*Keep - nomination is flawed, articles can and do meet GNG - as this one does. The structure of the article only follows the RSSSF.com reference https://www.rsssf.org/tablesm/mex95.html said that, The Summary description of the campaign is based from the RSSSF.com link of 1994/95 Mexico Regular season, it clearly shows the performance of Tigres UANL round by round, plus the table for subsection called regular season, the subsection called table Overall season, and the Matches subsection of the article is from the RSSSF reference mentioned above including goalscorers game by game. In an aggregate for this article in Statistics the reference Source: http://yalma.fime.uanl.mx/~futmx/MFL/Mex95/News/norte29my95b.html it clearly showed the performance of players during the 94/95 season. In an aggregate I included the worsening of situation for universities during that season an interview from ESPN " Mexican Secretariat of Public Education in 1994 announces that Universities' budget must not be spent on professional football teams https://www.espn.com.mx/noticias/nota/_/id/2101545/padilla-admite-error-al-vender-leones-en-1994-hoy-vale-413-mdp the reference is also included in the articles for other universities football franchises of that year. The description is clear and include how the budget reduction affected the team in that year. HugoAcosta9 ( talk) 14:43, 4 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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*Keep - nomination is flawed, articles can and do meet GNG - as this one does. The structure of the article only follows the RSSSF.com reference https://www.rsssf.org/tablesm/mex95.html said that, The Summary description of the campaign is based from the RSSSF.com link of 1994/95 Mexico Regular season, it clearly shows the performance of Tigres UANL round by round, plus the table for subsection called regular season, the subsection called table Overall season, and the Matches subsection of the article is from the RSSSF reference mentioned above including goalscorers game by game. In an aggregate for this article in Statistics the reference Source: http://yalma.fime.uanl.mx/~futmx/MFL/Mex95/News/norte29my95b.html it clearly showed the performance of players during the 94/95 season. In an aggregate I included the worsening of situation for universities during that season an interview from ESPN " Mexican Secretariat of Public Education in 1994 announces that Universities' budget must not be spent on professional football teams https://www.espn.com.mx/noticias/nota/_/id/2101545/padilla-admite-error-al-vender-leones-en-1994-hoy-vale-413-mdp the reference is also included in the articles for other universities football franchises of that year. The description is clear and include how the budget reduction affected the team in that year. HugoAcosta9 ( talk) 14:43, 4 October 2022 (UTC) reply

• Keep - nomination is flawed, articles can and do meet GNG - as this one does.The structure of the article only follows the RSSSF.com reference https://www.rsssf.org/tablesm/mex95.html said that, The Summary description of the campaign is based from the RSSSF.com link of 1994/95 Mexico Regular season, it clearly shows the performance of Tigres UANL round by round, plus the table for subsection called regular season, the subsection called table Overall season, and the Matches subsection of the article is from the RSSSF reference mentioned above including goalscorers game by game. In an aggregate for this article in Statistics the reference Source: http://yalma.fime.uanl.mx/~futmx/MFL/Mex95/News/norte29my95b.html it clearly showed the performance of players during the 94/95 season. In an aggregate I included the worsening of situation for universities during that season an interview from ESPN " Mexican Secretariat of Public Education in 1994 announces that Universities' budget must not be spent on professional football teams https://www.espn.com.mx/noticias/nota/_/id/2101545/padilla-admite-error-al-vender-leones-en-1994-hoy-vale-413-mdp the reference is also included in the articles for other universities football franchises of that year. The description is clear and include how the budget reduction affected the team in that year. HugoAcosta9 ( talk) 14:42, 4 October 2022 (UTC) reply

There is no need to repeat yourself three times when protecting your own article. The Banner  talk 17:35, 4 October 2022 (UTC) reply

The reference number 1 contains a link to an article where as clearly states about the 1994-95 season even the testimony of the second on board of University' Dean.References 3,4,5 clearly contains the two players being part of the team over the 1994-95 season, also the manager. RSSSF Reference number 6 is used to structure the article, including two tables linked to 1994-95 Mexican Primera Division season and the Matches round by round, also the link is useful to create the crutial postion by round table. HugoAcosta9 ( talk) 23:35, 4 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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• Delete - these kind of articles are notable, and this one possibly is, but I cannot see any significant coverage. If sources are found ping me. Giant Snowman 18:34, 5 October 2022 (UTC) reply

  I've showed and explained the sources one by one, the references are journals, TV stations, the structure of the article, the links and now they created a new term: "coverage", maybe tomorrow they will create another one to delete the article. My article was reviewed and approved now is censored with new terms. HugoAcosta9 ( talk) 20:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:41, 11 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisted AfD per DRV
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 17:14, 28 November 2022 (UTC) reply

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• Delete. Yet again, sources lack the quality or quantity to justify this page. The sheer number of these pages demonstrates that this is too specific and obscure. Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 21:05, 5 December 2022 (UTC) reply

  I'm watching Nederland crushing the "U.S. masculine team soccer" 3-1 with my friends Nfitz ( talk · contribs) and comments arouse about why U.S. and Nederland did not want to play in Russia 2018, They were really scared about Putin. Articles that pass NSEASONS (which is a guideline) should provide reliable sources to meet GNG; but unlike athletes, it's not like they must. As it does pass an SNG it doesn't need to meet GNG explicitly - at least not immediately. But I don't know why anyone would think that seasons articles for teams in the best league in North America in a football-mad country wouldn't meet GNG. Looks like that many rank this league 9th in the world currently, compared to 15th for MLS. There's no doubt that the calibre of teams in this league is higher than MLS. And yet we seasons articles for all but two of the 1996 MLS teams (the first year of MLS). The main sourcing issue is access to media from Mexico in the pre-Internet age over 30 years ago. If this was a lower-ranked league like the 1994-95 First Division with teams like 1994–95 Reading F.C. season and 1994–95 Sheffield United F.C. season, we wouldn't be having this discussion - there are 22 seasons articles for the First Division that season. 187.156.98.86 ( talk) 00:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC) reply

• Keep: I don't think there's much of an argument that the closes violated settled procedure; plainly they didn't. But I think we can agree now that they were bad outcomes, and that this nomination was very likely just as tainted and pointy as the other similar AfD cases The Banner filed, all of which have closed (or will soon do) as overwhelming Keeps. We have two choices here: to do the right thing and restore the articles -- not simply relist the AfDs -- or just wash our hands of The Banner's now-obvious bad faith and worse judgment (and for which he's about to be community tbanned from the AfD process generally). That the community needs to do a better job at AfD has been manifest for years now, and that's a problem beyond the scope of this DRV. Correcting this error is within our grasp, and it should be done without further delay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2806:108E:24:B52A:D1E:13B8:E16F:4B0E ( talk) 21:52, 5 December 2022 (UTC) reply

Concern: The unsigned keep !vote is suspicious-looking given that (1) one user has tried to cast multiple !votes, (2) the unsigned user has responded to this entire set of AfDs, and (3) the unsigned user has nothing else in their contribution history. Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 22:35, 5 December 2022 (UTC) reply

Never mind that the bastard is doing so with my words, which were cut-and-pasted from the DRV that relisted this AfD. Ravenswing 00:50, 6 December 2022 (UTC) reply

As Inomyabcs ( talk · contribs) wrote to Ravenswing: "I want to thank you for keeping an open mind and doing due diligence... with Hugo. I also went back and looked at the AfDs and I believe Hugo had a point. I added my review of the AfDs for the ones that are still open and was able to locate sources to satisfy the main complaint in three of them; [2] , [3], and [4]. I really do hope that your admonishment gets through to some of the editors there. To lose an editor (201-articles-Hugo) that was trying to operate in good faith and with a wealth of edits is a real shame." 2806:108E:24:B52A:1C07:1F23:7285:39BC ( talk) 01:45, 6 December 2022 (UTC) reply

P.S. And (4) I just saw the one who'd tried to cast multiple votes has been blocked indefinitely for abusively using multiple accounts. Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 22:46, 5 December 2022 (UTC) reply

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