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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:46, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
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No independent sources demonstrating any significant coverage. Possible hoax. When PRODed, the article's creator uploaded a PDF, generated immediately before it was uploaded, supposedly from a publication called Vanceboro Monthly. The supposed author of the article is named in an obituary as the daughter of the subject after whom the island was supposedly named. — LX ( talk, contribs) 08:45, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 10:33, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
- I agree that as of now, there are little to no verifiable independent sources due to the nature of who wrote the publication. However, independent sources are going to publish reliable coverage soon, and I have been in contact with several different local and state media outlets. This process should only take 5-10 more days. Once the media coverage is there, it should be clear why this article should be included on Wikipedia. Enzo Francis 23:23, 1 August 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EnzoCameli ( talk • contribs)
- Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and not the place to announce things you made up one day. Even if some "local and state media outlet" were to happen to take interest in your little campaign, that will not be enough evidence to show that the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition, and that this was not a mere short-term interest, nor a result of promotional activity or indiscriminate publicity. — LX ( talk, contribs) 08:15, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. I can't find a reliable source to support this article. Of the 5 refs in the article, 3 have no mention of the island, and the other 2 are from a blog set up specifically about it and I don't find them reliable. The geocoordinates also don't appear to show the island. PK T(alk) 19:11, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
If you look on google maps you won't be able to see the island due to the extremely high river at that time in the year. If you look on Apple maps or other satellite maps, you should be able to see it. Enzo Francis 23:06, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
- Delete: Per the Vanceboro Monthly article discussed, the island across from the family's property was named "Île de Susee" by the family, in honor of a recently deceased person. This seems like a very creative and nice memorial, and it equally seems nice to seek and obtain local news coverage of the memorial. Really, I honestly think this is very nice. However, the event of the memorial and the island itself do not rise to the level of world-wide encyclopedic interest. Conceivably Wikipedia could cover memorials like this or other memorials like roadside crosses erected at accident sites by family members, but it does not, probably because we don't want to pass judgment on which memorials are important enough vs. not important enough. Or, well, actually, we do cover memorials like Grant's Tomb and some Confederate Memorials, but only where there is substantial academic and/or news coverage of them, and the coverage has endured. To User:EnzoCameli, I hope you can understand that Wikipedia does not accept articles on hardly anything new at all, and that this just doesn't currently fit. If this AFD is closed "Delete" and the article is removed, you can request a copy from the closing administrator or by request at wp:REFUND. -- do ncr am 02:11, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. Per WP:GEOLAND, every geographical feature on the planet does not automatically qualify for a Wikipedia article just because it exists — we do not keep an article about every island, every lake, every hill, every pond, every river, every road, that exists, but only about notable geographic features. What we require is reliable source coverage about it, not just its location on Google Maps and a self-published blog by whatever random person decided to name it themselves — and no, that coverage can't result from a directly affiliated person lobbying media outlets to cover it, either, but has to result from media organically paying it attention independently of a PR campaign. But literally the only acceptable reliable source present here is just supporting a very general statement about the nature of Canadian-American relations, not any content about the island. None of this is even close to enough to deem this notable. If, and that's a very big if, it someday does occasion a Canada-US border dispute of the type claimed here, then there may be grounds for a Wikipedia article — but the case for that will depend on "an actual controversy actually happens for real", not "one could theoretically happen in the future because reasons that are claimed here but not actually sourced as true". Stick to your blog, because nothing here makes this appropriate for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Bearcat ( talk) 01:34, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 18:55, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 19:46, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
- Île de Susee ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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No independent sources demonstrating any significant coverage. Possible hoax. When PRODed, the article's creator uploaded a PDF, generated immediately before it was uploaded, supposedly from a publication called Vanceboro Monthly. The supposed author of the article is named in an obituary as the daughter of the subject after whom the island was supposedly named. — LX ( talk, contribs) 08:45, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 10:33, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
- I agree that as of now, there are little to no verifiable independent sources due to the nature of who wrote the publication. However, independent sources are going to publish reliable coverage soon, and I have been in contact with several different local and state media outlets. This process should only take 5-10 more days. Once the media coverage is there, it should be clear why this article should be included on Wikipedia. Enzo Francis 23:23, 1 August 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EnzoCameli ( talk • contribs)
- Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and not the place to announce things you made up one day. Even if some "local and state media outlet" were to happen to take interest in your little campaign, that will not be enough evidence to show that the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition, and that this was not a mere short-term interest, nor a result of promotional activity or indiscriminate publicity. — LX ( talk, contribs) 08:15, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. I can't find a reliable source to support this article. Of the 5 refs in the article, 3 have no mention of the island, and the other 2 are from a blog set up specifically about it and I don't find them reliable. The geocoordinates also don't appear to show the island. PK T(alk) 19:11, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
If you look on google maps you won't be able to see the island due to the extremely high river at that time in the year. If you look on Apple maps or other satellite maps, you should be able to see it. Enzo Francis 23:06, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
- Delete: Per the Vanceboro Monthly article discussed, the island across from the family's property was named "Île de Susee" by the family, in honor of a recently deceased person. This seems like a very creative and nice memorial, and it equally seems nice to seek and obtain local news coverage of the memorial. Really, I honestly think this is very nice. However, the event of the memorial and the island itself do not rise to the level of world-wide encyclopedic interest. Conceivably Wikipedia could cover memorials like this or other memorials like roadside crosses erected at accident sites by family members, but it does not, probably because we don't want to pass judgment on which memorials are important enough vs. not important enough. Or, well, actually, we do cover memorials like Grant's Tomb and some Confederate Memorials, but only where there is substantial academic and/or news coverage of them, and the coverage has endured. To User:EnzoCameli, I hope you can understand that Wikipedia does not accept articles on hardly anything new at all, and that this just doesn't currently fit. If this AFD is closed "Delete" and the article is removed, you can request a copy from the closing administrator or by request at wp:REFUND. -- do ncr am 02:11, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. Per WP:GEOLAND, every geographical feature on the planet does not automatically qualify for a Wikipedia article just because it exists — we do not keep an article about every island, every lake, every hill, every pond, every river, every road, that exists, but only about notable geographic features. What we require is reliable source coverage about it, not just its location on Google Maps and a self-published blog by whatever random person decided to name it themselves — and no, that coverage can't result from a directly affiliated person lobbying media outlets to cover it, either, but has to result from media organically paying it attention independently of a PR campaign. But literally the only acceptable reliable source present here is just supporting a very general statement about the nature of Canadian-American relations, not any content about the island. None of this is even close to enough to deem this notable. If, and that's a very big if, it someday does occasion a Canada-US border dispute of the type claimed here, then there may be grounds for a Wikipedia article — but the case for that will depend on "an actual controversy actually happens for real", not "one could theoretically happen in the future because reasons that are claimed here but not actually sourced as true". Stick to your blog, because nothing here makes this appropriate for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Bearcat ( talk) 01:34, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 18:55, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islands-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 18:55, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
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