Arbitration Committee Election 2015 candidate:
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Thank you for running for the hardest and most thankless job on the project. Many of these questions are sourced from actual cases, discussions, and problems over the past year. Enjoy!
I'd keep BASC with its current jurisdiction over community site-bans and long-term blocks as I believe its important for there to be a different avenue of appeal. I would however move appeals CU & OS blocks to the functionaries en ban (as they are usually the experts). I would have four-five arbs only on BASC for three (ish) month terms. When an appeal comes in they decide whether they'll hear it (meets conditions and has a flying chance). If it is prima facie accepted one arb is assigned to it (but they can ask for help with different parts of it), they investigate and present the applicable evidence (ie blocked/banned for, has since then) and their recommendation (send to community, unblock with/without conditions, decline) to be voted on by the whole subcommittee (needing a majority). Arbs completing a term on BASC are generally not required/asked to draft cases so that they can concentrate on BASC. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 03:34, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
Addition: Thought I might add this on the end, I think one of the big problems facing the Committee (and I see it every year as a clerk) is that the new arbitrators go in with very little idea of what it's like on ArbCom. And I'm increasingly of the opinion that my idea for BASC is a great example of that: because I don't know what BASC/ArbCom is actually like (in addition to everything else which is happening) I don't see the problems that the current (lame-duck though they may be) are seeing, tell us about and trying to deal with. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 02:17, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
1. Lesser sanctions (such as topic bans and other restrictions) have been tried but the disruption caused by the user continued and/or spread to other areas.
2. Due to a serious breach of policy or norms (such as OUTING) which requires strong action to prevent further similar actions and deterrence from someone doing it again.
At the end of the day my test will be, are they a 'net-negative' and how likely is it that there behaviour will improve with active editing.
In cases which have a somewhat binary outcome (and sometimes those focussing on specific editors) the are less useful as the outcome is less in dispute and needing to wade through comments as they are made (and usually somewhat duplicated in similar proposals). The other issue is that they encourage the view that arbitration cases are based on consensus and that proposals with 'supports' from community members will be given weight.
But as I said, in some cases they are useful in others they aren't.
It's not but it depends on whether there are evidence overlaps between the evidence presented by the various 'evidence providers'. I'm generally in favour of word count extensions for parties (to defend themselves) where I think that the rebuttal they provide will be useful at arriving at a final decision (if I believe that there's anything to the claims being made against them).
Con: The technical limitations non-admins face (deleted contributions primarily) aren't insurmountable but do make a little more work for other arbs in copying over the content to the arb wiki.
Thank you for stepping forward!
If it had just been the first comment, I would probably have just ignored it or warned him against further violations. The second comment however indicates that Eric either isn't seeing that this is a problem or doesn't care, in which case previous enforcement blocks haven't worked and to hold him to the same standard set they should be enforced.
Regarding the rest of the question, arbitration enforcement is designed not to be 'fun', it's designed as a sledge-hammer to force compliance (and in some cases avoid the site ban which was also proposed).
As I commented above, 'softer' remedies which focus more on training and development (as opposed to enforcement), for example mentoring, definitely have merit where the editors (mentor and editor being mentored) are willing to participate and there is a specific area which can be targeted.
Overall I think the current Committee has been too hesitant to remove discretionary sanctions (and article probation) from various articles/topic areas. You can see my data collection and ideas at User:Callanecc/sanctions. As far as I'm concerned there are too many areas covered by discretionary sanctions where there isn't a need (that is, a proven, continuing belief that normal admin/community enforcement isn't enough) to have them any more.
One of the other things which I've commented on a few times is making decisions (voting) in private where there really isn't a need to, see this for example. Voting in private when quick decisions (recent desysops for example) need to be made is fine, especially given that the paperwork involved would make it take longer than is practical. Likewise giving Philippe CU & OS so quickly effectively skirted the procedure on the matter and didn't really give the community a chance to discuss and comment (as would happen at the normal appointment times).
However, if the WMF won't play ball then I think the Committee does need to clarify issues as briefly and simply as possible and after a thorough drafting process (which includes summarising).
I'm not sure how the increasing participation of professionals has contributed to heightening expectations of civility. Personally, I believe that that's a good thing that we have more professionals as it encourages a more pleasant environment and helps close the gender gap (both in contributors and subjects of articles). The changes associated with increasing numbers of professionals make Wikipedia the best place possible to write an encyclopedia which needs people from a range of backgrounds and interest areas (including those who write articles and who support people writing the articles, those doing maintenance for example). The best way to allow for that is to have a supportive and civil workplace where everyone feels welcome and where both established editors and professionals are able to work together guiding each other.
I'm hoping that's answering your questions well enough?
Regarding reforms
I've already addressed some of this in
Guerillero's questions and to a lesser degree in
the question from Yash. Primarily I'd like to streamline (or remove) the two Subcommittees to ensure that they are operating at best efficiency.
I know transparency is mentioned every year (which makes me wonder what stops it from happening) but my version of transparency is a little more specific: I'd like to see the motions page used a lot more than it currently is even if there is no section for community comments.
I'd make one or two arbitrators responsible for policing the functionary activity levels and putting a motion on the motions page when someone meets the conditions for tool removal (without needing to first propose it on the mailing list).
Thanks.We haven't given any weight to the arguments that because she is a woman and chose to keep her maiden name Wikipedia should be bound by that
Regarding the Hilary Clinton move request, if you quote the full dot point (rather than just an arbitrary part of it) we actually said We haven't given any weight to the arguments that because she is a woman and chose to keep her maiden name Wikipedia should be bound by that as we can't see that that is reflected in the article titles policy (see following dot points as well) and the third dot point We note that WP:MOS#Identity (regarding the subject's preference) is only considered if we don't believe that there is a consensus either way or if we believe that there is agreement that there are two 'common names'. Members of the community are bound to follow policy unless there is a good reason not to and that's what I will do as an arbitrator.
It depends, on how strong the evidence is, long the account have been around and the topic area. If there is more than one suspicious account they can easily be taken to SPI as socks of each other. If it's a single account the SPI talk page is a good place to get other opinions, but it depend on the evidence you've got.
I'm doing well, Callan. Thank you for asking but above all, thank you for volunteering. I think you'll make an excellent arb. Best wishes. Atsme 📞 📧 05:09, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
I would have supported the motion to desysop (if it were a proper level 2 desysop) had Neelix's explanation not been acceptable due to the loss of trust and left the community to handle the other issues, as I'm not convinced that the community was given an adequate chance to do so. They/We already imposed a ban from redirects so it's possible that the investigations would have continued on ANI. If the case were opened anyway (that is, I was in the minority) and Neelix resigned the tools, I would have voted to suspend the case for a year (unless Neelix returned to editing) but with a strong warning that if they return after the year and continue any of the same misconduct then they should expect their conduct to be quickly examined at ANI or brought to ArbCom (since the Committee retains jurisdiction). Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 06:10, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for stepping forward; your commitment to serving the community is greatly appreciated.
Please accept my apologies for the lateness of these questions.
I wouldn't change it no, I think it's fairly effective at allowing DR bodies (ArbCom, ANI, etc) to deal with misconduct no matter who the editor is (the one who brought the case or the one is named in it) and doesn't give a benefit in being the first one to get to ArbCom/AE/ANI/ANEW.
Regarding the implementation, AFAIK it's going to be implemented with an edit filter which is a technical solution (so hopefully the semi-protection and blocks won't be needed. Regarding whether to introduce it as a form of page protection there are benefits and drawbacks of that, however I suspect the WMF wouldn't be too happy about it.
I'd like to see an explicit review date incorporated in the remedy (although in the past that hasn't been too successful) rather than it being applied indefinitely (forever).
It isn't usualy having more arbs active on a case which makes it take longer. The length of the case is determined by how much evidence and workshop proposals were submitted, how much time the drafter(s) have, how many extensions (time and word length) were given and how much time each individual arb has to look through the evidence. So rather than abstaining (not recusing) from an arbitrary 1/3rd of cases I'd rather abstain from cases (that is, voting on decisions) where I don't believe I'll have time, and I (think) I'd decide that when it comes time to vote on the case.
Many thanks in advance for any answers. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 15:32, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
I guess the most important one is to keep in mind that no one on Wikipedia is in a position to determine whether someone has a mental illness, nor to try and treat it. In the vast majority of instances keeping information personal and private is important (which is where ArbCom and the functionaries can play a role). In addition, accusing people of having a mental illness is pretty wholly in personal attack territory and depending on how it's done might stray into WP:OUTING territory.
If it's possible and reasonable having an experienced editor and/or admin working with them (in private if possible & appropriate) to highlight the behaviour which others find inappropriate might be helpful depending on the situation. This approach (in my experience) has a reasonable success rate especially where the editor in question is able to focus on an area which interests them (whether content creation or maintenance) without being harassed by others looking for things they do wrong.
If, however, the editor is not productive or the misconduct they are displaying is disrupting others from contributing to the project then it is unlikely they'll be unblocked or stay unblocked for very long.
Hope that's in the direction you were after, if there's any further information/detail you (or others) want please let me know.
Arbitration Committee Election 2015 candidate:
Callanecc
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Add your questions below the line using the following markup:
#{{ACE Question
|Q=Your question
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Thank you for running for the hardest and most thankless job on the project. Many of these questions are sourced from actual cases, discussions, and problems over the past year. Enjoy!
I'd keep BASC with its current jurisdiction over community site-bans and long-term blocks as I believe its important for there to be a different avenue of appeal. I would however move appeals CU & OS blocks to the functionaries en ban (as they are usually the experts). I would have four-five arbs only on BASC for three (ish) month terms. When an appeal comes in they decide whether they'll hear it (meets conditions and has a flying chance). If it is prima facie accepted one arb is assigned to it (but they can ask for help with different parts of it), they investigate and present the applicable evidence (ie blocked/banned for, has since then) and their recommendation (send to community, unblock with/without conditions, decline) to be voted on by the whole subcommittee (needing a majority). Arbs completing a term on BASC are generally not required/asked to draft cases so that they can concentrate on BASC. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 03:34, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
Addition: Thought I might add this on the end, I think one of the big problems facing the Committee (and I see it every year as a clerk) is that the new arbitrators go in with very little idea of what it's like on ArbCom. And I'm increasingly of the opinion that my idea for BASC is a great example of that: because I don't know what BASC/ArbCom is actually like (in addition to everything else which is happening) I don't see the problems that the current (lame-duck though they may be) are seeing, tell us about and trying to deal with. Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 02:17, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
1. Lesser sanctions (such as topic bans and other restrictions) have been tried but the disruption caused by the user continued and/or spread to other areas.
2. Due to a serious breach of policy or norms (such as OUTING) which requires strong action to prevent further similar actions and deterrence from someone doing it again.
At the end of the day my test will be, are they a 'net-negative' and how likely is it that there behaviour will improve with active editing.
In cases which have a somewhat binary outcome (and sometimes those focussing on specific editors) the are less useful as the outcome is less in dispute and needing to wade through comments as they are made (and usually somewhat duplicated in similar proposals). The other issue is that they encourage the view that arbitration cases are based on consensus and that proposals with 'supports' from community members will be given weight.
But as I said, in some cases they are useful in others they aren't.
It's not but it depends on whether there are evidence overlaps between the evidence presented by the various 'evidence providers'. I'm generally in favour of word count extensions for parties (to defend themselves) where I think that the rebuttal they provide will be useful at arriving at a final decision (if I believe that there's anything to the claims being made against them).
Con: The technical limitations non-admins face (deleted contributions primarily) aren't insurmountable but do make a little more work for other arbs in copying over the content to the arb wiki.
Thank you for stepping forward!
If it had just been the first comment, I would probably have just ignored it or warned him against further violations. The second comment however indicates that Eric either isn't seeing that this is a problem or doesn't care, in which case previous enforcement blocks haven't worked and to hold him to the same standard set they should be enforced.
Regarding the rest of the question, arbitration enforcement is designed not to be 'fun', it's designed as a sledge-hammer to force compliance (and in some cases avoid the site ban which was also proposed).
As I commented above, 'softer' remedies which focus more on training and development (as opposed to enforcement), for example mentoring, definitely have merit where the editors (mentor and editor being mentored) are willing to participate and there is a specific area which can be targeted.
Overall I think the current Committee has been too hesitant to remove discretionary sanctions (and article probation) from various articles/topic areas. You can see my data collection and ideas at User:Callanecc/sanctions. As far as I'm concerned there are too many areas covered by discretionary sanctions where there isn't a need (that is, a proven, continuing belief that normal admin/community enforcement isn't enough) to have them any more.
One of the other things which I've commented on a few times is making decisions (voting) in private where there really isn't a need to, see this for example. Voting in private when quick decisions (recent desysops for example) need to be made is fine, especially given that the paperwork involved would make it take longer than is practical. Likewise giving Philippe CU & OS so quickly effectively skirted the procedure on the matter and didn't really give the community a chance to discuss and comment (as would happen at the normal appointment times).
However, if the WMF won't play ball then I think the Committee does need to clarify issues as briefly and simply as possible and after a thorough drafting process (which includes summarising).
I'm not sure how the increasing participation of professionals has contributed to heightening expectations of civility. Personally, I believe that that's a good thing that we have more professionals as it encourages a more pleasant environment and helps close the gender gap (both in contributors and subjects of articles). The changes associated with increasing numbers of professionals make Wikipedia the best place possible to write an encyclopedia which needs people from a range of backgrounds and interest areas (including those who write articles and who support people writing the articles, those doing maintenance for example). The best way to allow for that is to have a supportive and civil workplace where everyone feels welcome and where both established editors and professionals are able to work together guiding each other.
I'm hoping that's answering your questions well enough?
Regarding reforms
I've already addressed some of this in
Guerillero's questions and to a lesser degree in
the question from Yash. Primarily I'd like to streamline (or remove) the two Subcommittees to ensure that they are operating at best efficiency.
I know transparency is mentioned every year (which makes me wonder what stops it from happening) but my version of transparency is a little more specific: I'd like to see the motions page used a lot more than it currently is even if there is no section for community comments.
I'd make one or two arbitrators responsible for policing the functionary activity levels and putting a motion on the motions page when someone meets the conditions for tool removal (without needing to first propose it on the mailing list).
Thanks.We haven't given any weight to the arguments that because she is a woman and chose to keep her maiden name Wikipedia should be bound by that
Regarding the Hilary Clinton move request, if you quote the full dot point (rather than just an arbitrary part of it) we actually said We haven't given any weight to the arguments that because she is a woman and chose to keep her maiden name Wikipedia should be bound by that as we can't see that that is reflected in the article titles policy (see following dot points as well) and the third dot point We note that WP:MOS#Identity (regarding the subject's preference) is only considered if we don't believe that there is a consensus either way or if we believe that there is agreement that there are two 'common names'. Members of the community are bound to follow policy unless there is a good reason not to and that's what I will do as an arbitrator.
It depends, on how strong the evidence is, long the account have been around and the topic area. If there is more than one suspicious account they can easily be taken to SPI as socks of each other. If it's a single account the SPI talk page is a good place to get other opinions, but it depend on the evidence you've got.
I'm doing well, Callan. Thank you for asking but above all, thank you for volunteering. I think you'll make an excellent arb. Best wishes. Atsme 📞 📧 05:09, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
I would have supported the motion to desysop (if it were a proper level 2 desysop) had Neelix's explanation not been acceptable due to the loss of trust and left the community to handle the other issues, as I'm not convinced that the community was given an adequate chance to do so. They/We already imposed a ban from redirects so it's possible that the investigations would have continued on ANI. If the case were opened anyway (that is, I was in the minority) and Neelix resigned the tools, I would have voted to suspend the case for a year (unless Neelix returned to editing) but with a strong warning that if they return after the year and continue any of the same misconduct then they should expect their conduct to be quickly examined at ANI or brought to ArbCom (since the Committee retains jurisdiction). Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 06:10, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for stepping forward; your commitment to serving the community is greatly appreciated.
Please accept my apologies for the lateness of these questions.
I wouldn't change it no, I think it's fairly effective at allowing DR bodies (ArbCom, ANI, etc) to deal with misconduct no matter who the editor is (the one who brought the case or the one is named in it) and doesn't give a benefit in being the first one to get to ArbCom/AE/ANI/ANEW.
Regarding the implementation, AFAIK it's going to be implemented with an edit filter which is a technical solution (so hopefully the semi-protection and blocks won't be needed. Regarding whether to introduce it as a form of page protection there are benefits and drawbacks of that, however I suspect the WMF wouldn't be too happy about it.
I'd like to see an explicit review date incorporated in the remedy (although in the past that hasn't been too successful) rather than it being applied indefinitely (forever).
It isn't usualy having more arbs active on a case which makes it take longer. The length of the case is determined by how much evidence and workshop proposals were submitted, how much time the drafter(s) have, how many extensions (time and word length) were given and how much time each individual arb has to look through the evidence. So rather than abstaining (not recusing) from an arbitrary 1/3rd of cases I'd rather abstain from cases (that is, voting on decisions) where I don't believe I'll have time, and I (think) I'd decide that when it comes time to vote on the case.
Many thanks in advance for any answers. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 15:32, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
I guess the most important one is to keep in mind that no one on Wikipedia is in a position to determine whether someone has a mental illness, nor to try and treat it. In the vast majority of instances keeping information personal and private is important (which is where ArbCom and the functionaries can play a role). In addition, accusing people of having a mental illness is pretty wholly in personal attack territory and depending on how it's done might stray into WP:OUTING territory.
If it's possible and reasonable having an experienced editor and/or admin working with them (in private if possible & appropriate) to highlight the behaviour which others find inappropriate might be helpful depending on the situation. This approach (in my experience) has a reasonable success rate especially where the editor in question is able to focus on an area which interests them (whether content creation or maintenance) without being harassed by others looking for things they do wrong.
If, however, the editor is not productive or the misconduct they are displaying is disrupting others from contributing to the project then it is unlikely they'll be unblocked or stay unblocked for very long.
Hope that's in the direction you were after, if there's any further information/detail you (or others) want please let me know.