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Thanks for the welcome and useful info, Viriditas... I probably won't be doing much for awhile now, though. I made the mistake of trying to contribute something to wikinews and was squashed at every step of the way - and it's exhausted me for now! However, I'm not disillusioned! Nevertheless, I can't justify any more time now away from my 'real'life!
Your info though will be excellent for when I return! So thanks again!
- No problem. You make a really good point about how difficult it is to make edits as a newcomer. When I first arrived here, I made some well supported edits that were instantly reverted, merely because I was using a proxy IP that had been vandalizing the site. Thankfully, my first edits are still in the article, but it was pretty upsetting at the time. Contact me if you need help with anything. BTW, I'm going to probably replace the YouTube link with other sources as I can find them to keep your edits intact. Viriditas ( talk) 02:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes - editing is actually a fine art, requiring a good deal of humility and a desire to serve the reader. If those people deleted your edits ONLY on the basis of the IP, then that is a subtle form of egoic editing. They should have judged on the CONTENT only, rather than letting the concept that the material might have been contributed by some 'evil doer' - as though it was tainted. As it says in the Bible I think, 'out of the mouths of babes, truth can come'. In other words, if something is true, it is true no matter who actually utters it. Thanks for that with the youtube thing. I think it came from AP, though it seems AP hasn't quite got it's business model together enough to make it's video readily (/easily) available on it's site. You can see it all over Youtube, but for some reason they resist showing it on their own site! If you can dig and find it there - or an alternative news source that shows the same video - that would be great. (That was what you were talking about, right?) It's all becoming a haze lol!
- Yes, it looks like an official AP YouTube site. I had no idea, and neither did anyone else. I suggest we use it, although this may need to be discussed. I've left it in the article for now, but I may review it again. Viriditas ( talk) 13:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
out of curiosity, what are the main reasons for not using YT, anyway? (feel free to reply in pt form if easier)
- Mostly copyright infringement concerns. See Wikipedia:External_links#Linking_to_YouTube.2C_Google_Video.2C_and_similar_sites and for historical purposes, check out the failed policy proposing the removal of all YouTube links. It's acceptable on a case-by-case basis, apparently. Viriditas ( talk) 13:51, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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You can't make your section headers as big as the AfD title itself, it messes up the AfD Log for that day. Say what you hav to say; you don't need to make it so large. Tarc ( talk) 17:05, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
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I've been blocked by the user Alexf simply for criticising his overzealous page-deleting.
(He deleted my page claiming that I had not said why the article was relevant, yet on the talk page I had already said that the subject of the article (Kevin G) was the author of a book about a current event - the Bradley Manning affair. So I HAD in fact explained it's relevance. So it was utterly wrong and unethical to put the page up for fast-deletion. If more was needed, why not just GOOGLE it. Why was this done? I can see no other reason than a POWER TRIP!)
It only takes a few seconds to destroy something - to create something takes much more time.
I'd like to create an article called The Wikipedia Wankers - all about the sad little club wikipedia is slowly becoming.
Pathetic. I actually worked as a journalist for a major newspaper of the stature of the NYT and I never saw such small-schlong egos as I've seen on this site.
I will waste no more time on here. I will only correct gross errors of fact from now on. I will never again create an article. FAR TOO MUCH EGO!
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Hi, I restored your deletions to parts of Chasing the Scream - I'm not sure what you meant by "colorful language" or your suggestion that I'm one of Hari's "enemies." I'm not and have only heard of him recently - in fact if you look at the Talk page on Hari's article, I sided with the people saying there is too much negative stuff there. I created the entire book article and it was approved by an admin who is well aware of all the drama. However, the plagiarism section is warranted as it is mentioned in almost every single review, is mentioned in the intro to the book, it explains why they made the audio for every source available, and it relates to the history of the book and his career overall. I finished expanding the background section, so maybe it doesn't look so prominent now. Anyway if you still disagree, then please start a discussion on the talk page. Have a great day! Wikimandia ( talk) 14:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
It seems more appropriate now that there is actual information about the BOOK *first*, before the stuff about the 'plagiarism scandal'. It certainly looks now less like a personal attack. I would still wonder whether the critical response to the book shouldn't be above that material, since it seems more DIRECTLY related to the BOOK than the p stuff. Latter is also already covered in entry for his bio. So why make the reader wade through that before the stuff more specific to the book? I do think its relevant that people know the p allegations when encountering the book, but I don't think its as RELEVANT as say, critical response. At least it's not the first thing - which to me is a very suspicious placement
I also think that the word 'scandal' is a wonderful word - for a tabloid newspaper. It's loaded, it's emotive. It's cheap. I wonder why you changed it. Preferable words: allegations controversy You really should think about whether that is a suitable word for an encyclopedia. I doubt others use it. Again: why do you insist on using it? That does make me wonder. (I have no idea who you are or who made the changes btw- but the emphasis of that section and the wording seemed dodgy enough for me to do one of my once-a-year wikipedia edits). Nevertheless, if you're passionate about keeping that order and that wording - I guess you have your reasons. Accurate Nuanced Clear ( talk) 23:58, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
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EdJohnston, why do you not block AussieLegend, who has just REVERTED the page AGAIN?!
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It's become an exclusive club of massive egos:
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I simply tried to add some useful info about Sydney - it was deleted MANY times without a decent explanation, and now *IM* banned for 'edit warring'.
But what about HappyWaldo.
Yep, WP has become a little clique of people with massive egos and nothing better to do but DOMINATE others.
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Thanks for the welcome and useful info, Viriditas... I probably won't be doing much for awhile now, though. I made the mistake of trying to contribute something to wikinews and was squashed at every step of the way - and it's exhausted me for now! However, I'm not disillusioned! Nevertheless, I can't justify any more time now away from my 'real'life!
Your info though will be excellent for when I return! So thanks again!
- No problem. You make a really good point about how difficult it is to make edits as a newcomer. When I first arrived here, I made some well supported edits that were instantly reverted, merely because I was using a proxy IP that had been vandalizing the site. Thankfully, my first edits are still in the article, but it was pretty upsetting at the time. Contact me if you need help with anything. BTW, I'm going to probably replace the YouTube link with other sources as I can find them to keep your edits intact. Viriditas ( talk) 02:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes - editing is actually a fine art, requiring a good deal of humility and a desire to serve the reader. If those people deleted your edits ONLY on the basis of the IP, then that is a subtle form of egoic editing. They should have judged on the CONTENT only, rather than letting the concept that the material might have been contributed by some 'evil doer' - as though it was tainted. As it says in the Bible I think, 'out of the mouths of babes, truth can come'. In other words, if something is true, it is true no matter who actually utters it. Thanks for that with the youtube thing. I think it came from AP, though it seems AP hasn't quite got it's business model together enough to make it's video readily (/easily) available on it's site. You can see it all over Youtube, but for some reason they resist showing it on their own site! If you can dig and find it there - or an alternative news source that shows the same video - that would be great. (That was what you were talking about, right?) It's all becoming a haze lol!
- Yes, it looks like an official AP YouTube site. I had no idea, and neither did anyone else. I suggest we use it, although this may need to be discussed. I've left it in the article for now, but I may review it again. Viriditas ( talk) 13:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
out of curiosity, what are the main reasons for not using YT, anyway? (feel free to reply in pt form if easier)
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You can't make your section headers as big as the AfD title itself, it messes up the AfD Log for that day. Say what you hav to say; you don't need to make it so large. Tarc ( talk) 17:05, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
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I've been blocked by the user Alexf simply for criticising his overzealous page-deleting.
(He deleted my page claiming that I had not said why the article was relevant, yet on the talk page I had already said that the subject of the article (Kevin G) was the author of a book about a current event - the Bradley Manning affair. So I HAD in fact explained it's relevance. So it was utterly wrong and unethical to put the page up for fast-deletion. If more was needed, why not just GOOGLE it. Why was this done? I can see no other reason than a POWER TRIP!)
It only takes a few seconds to destroy something - to create something takes much more time.
I'd like to create an article called The Wikipedia Wankers - all about the sad little club wikipedia is slowly becoming.
Pathetic. I actually worked as a journalist for a major newspaper of the stature of the NYT and I never saw such small-schlong egos as I've seen on this site.
I will waste no more time on here. I will only correct gross errors of fact from now on. I will never again create an article. FAR TOO MUCH EGO!
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Hi, I restored your deletions to parts of Chasing the Scream - I'm not sure what you meant by "colorful language" or your suggestion that I'm one of Hari's "enemies." I'm not and have only heard of him recently - in fact if you look at the Talk page on Hari's article, I sided with the people saying there is too much negative stuff there. I created the entire book article and it was approved by an admin who is well aware of all the drama. However, the plagiarism section is warranted as it is mentioned in almost every single review, is mentioned in the intro to the book, it explains why they made the audio for every source available, and it relates to the history of the book and his career overall. I finished expanding the background section, so maybe it doesn't look so prominent now. Anyway if you still disagree, then please start a discussion on the talk page. Have a great day! Wikimandia ( talk) 14:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
It seems more appropriate now that there is actual information about the BOOK *first*, before the stuff about the 'plagiarism scandal'. It certainly looks now less like a personal attack. I would still wonder whether the critical response to the book shouldn't be above that material, since it seems more DIRECTLY related to the BOOK than the p stuff. Latter is also already covered in entry for his bio. So why make the reader wade through that before the stuff more specific to the book? I do think its relevant that people know the p allegations when encountering the book, but I don't think its as RELEVANT as say, critical response. At least it's not the first thing - which to me is a very suspicious placement
I also think that the word 'scandal' is a wonderful word - for a tabloid newspaper. It's loaded, it's emotive. It's cheap. I wonder why you changed it. Preferable words: allegations controversy You really should think about whether that is a suitable word for an encyclopedia. I doubt others use it. Again: why do you insist on using it? That does make me wonder. (I have no idea who you are or who made the changes btw- but the emphasis of that section and the wording seemed dodgy enough for me to do one of my once-a-year wikipedia edits). Nevertheless, if you're passionate about keeping that order and that wording - I guess you have your reasons. Accurate Nuanced Clear ( talk) 23:58, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
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EdJohnston, why do you not block AussieLegend, who has just REVERTED the page AGAIN?!
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I simply tried to add some useful info about Sydney - it was deleted MANY times without a decent explanation, and now *IM* banned for 'edit warring'.
But what about HappyWaldo.
Yep, WP has become a little clique of people with massive egos and nothing better to do but DOMINATE others.
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These temps show the average temps in an area that has a festival of 10,000 people. The festival has temporarily ceased holding a summer festival, when these temps are relevant. It now only holds the easter version. But one day it hopes to re-start the summer one as well. I will leave it up to you. I don't have time
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