Hello, Yulateli, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as Elmedia Player, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's content policies and may not be retained. In short, the topic of an article must be notable and have already been the subject of publication by reliable and independent sources.
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Speedy deletion nomination of Elmedia Player
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A tag has been placed on Elmedia Player, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 23:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Yulateli! I got your email, and am replying here. (I prefer to keep discussions on Wikipedia if possible, since other helpful editors can chime in.) Your page was deleted because it was written more like an advertisement or press release than an encyclopedic article. It included a great deal of promotional language—articles on Wikipedia must be written neutrally.
I did want to address another part of your email: "There are mentions of this player on trusted sources such as Wikipedia itself, WikiHow, Github and others. There's also a mention on Fraunhofer's site, from there it's better to link to Wikipedia, and that's why I wanted to create this article." Wikipedia requires articles to be written using reliable secondary sources. Wikipedia itself (ironic, I know), Wikihow, Github, and other user-generated sites are not considered reliable sources because anybody could add irrelevant or flat-out incorrect information. If you want your article to have a chance of staying on Wikipedia, you will need to find multiple independent, neutral, secondary reliable sources. This is to satisfy Wikipedia's notability policy. (Not every subject, no matter how truthfully and impartially written, is suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. For example, I am not notable despite obviously existing.) ;) To give you some ideas about what to look for: Did the subject (Elmedia Player in your case) make news for something? Make sure you don't cite corporate press releases—those aren't neutral sources. What is the history of the player? Don't just list its features like an advertisement; talk about how and why it came to be! Who was behind it? Why? If you need an article to look at for inspiration, try Microsoft Security Essentials. Note how the article describes both the good and the bad. It doesn't promote but it doesn't attack either.
Cheers! Reaper Eternal ( talk) 19:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply! I'm not interested in promoting a product through Wikipedia, rather I was confused as a user by the fact that there is information about some players, but not about others. Now users can see the sites, and Google itself provides info:
- https://prnt.sc/6kWjwb2RDaC5
- https://prnt.sc/WlpnpElNUt2y
- The Wikipedia results are quite different. I think it would be fair to allow users to compare players.
- Also, about the promotional text, for example, these pages present the information almost the same way it was presented on the Elmedia page (facts and no praise).
- /info/en/?search=VLC_media_player
- /info/en/?search=IINA
- /info/en/?search=GOM_Player
- Yes, you said that Wikipedia is not itself a trusted source, but the player is mentioned for example here /info/en/?search=Music_visualization , but it doesn't have its own. I just wanted to close the gap. Elmedia is about 10 years old, and it doesn't need promotion on Wikipedia.
- "If you want your article to have a chance of staying on Wikipedia, you will need to find multiple independent, neutral, secondary reliable sources... Did the subject (Elmedia Player in your case) make news for something?":
- Also, about reliable sources. One of them is an article in a scientific journal, for example, Elmedia was cited in the Fraunhofer Society
- https://www.hhi.fraunhofer.de/en/news/nachrichten/2023/fraunhofer-hhi-and-electronic-team-demonstrate-how-vvc-technology-provides-a-greatly-enhanced-multimedia-experience.html
- https://www.hhi.fraunhofer.de/en/events/ibc-2023.html
- _______________
- I will take your advice and try to redo the article! Yulateli ( talk) 12:41, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Yulateli, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as Elmedia Player, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's content policies and may not be retained. In short, the topic of an article must be notable and have already been the subject of publication by reliable and independent sources.
Please review Your first article for an overview of the article creation process. The Article Wizard is available to help you create an article, where it will be reviewed and considered for publication. For information on how to request a new article that can be created by someone else, see Requested articles. If you are stuck, come to the Teahouse, where experienced Wikipedians can help you through the processes.
New to Wikipedia? Please consider taking a look at our introductory tutorial or reviewing the contributing to Wikipedia page to learn the basics about editing. Below are a few other good pages about article creation.
- Article development
- Standard layout
- Lead section
- The perfect article
- Task Center – need some ideas of what kind of things need doing? Go here.
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, ask me on my talk page. You can also type {{ help me}} on this page, followed by your question, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! voorts ( talk/ contributions) 23:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Elmedia Player
If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article.
You may want to consider using the Article Wizard to help you create articles.
A tag has been placed on Elmedia Player, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 23:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Yulateli! I got your email, and am replying here. (I prefer to keep discussions on Wikipedia if possible, since other helpful editors can chime in.) Your page was deleted because it was written more like an advertisement or press release than an encyclopedic article. It included a great deal of promotional language—articles on Wikipedia must be written neutrally.
I did want to address another part of your email: "There are mentions of this player on trusted sources such as Wikipedia itself, WikiHow, Github and others. There's also a mention on Fraunhofer's site, from there it's better to link to Wikipedia, and that's why I wanted to create this article." Wikipedia requires articles to be written using reliable secondary sources. Wikipedia itself (ironic, I know), Wikihow, Github, and other user-generated sites are not considered reliable sources because anybody could add irrelevant or flat-out incorrect information. If you want your article to have a chance of staying on Wikipedia, you will need to find multiple independent, neutral, secondary reliable sources. This is to satisfy Wikipedia's notability policy. (Not every subject, no matter how truthfully and impartially written, is suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. For example, I am not notable despite obviously existing.) ;) To give you some ideas about what to look for: Did the subject (Elmedia Player in your case) make news for something? Make sure you don't cite corporate press releases—those aren't neutral sources. What is the history of the player? Don't just list its features like an advertisement; talk about how and why it came to be! Who was behind it? Why? If you need an article to look at for inspiration, try Microsoft Security Essentials. Note how the article describes both the good and the bad. It doesn't promote but it doesn't attack either.
Cheers! Reaper Eternal ( talk) 19:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply! I'm not interested in promoting a product through Wikipedia, rather I was confused as a user by the fact that there is information about some players, but not about others. Now users can see the sites, and Google itself provides info:
- https://prnt.sc/6kWjwb2RDaC5
- https://prnt.sc/WlpnpElNUt2y
- The Wikipedia results are quite different. I think it would be fair to allow users to compare players.
- Also, about the promotional text, for example, these pages present the information almost the same way it was presented on the Elmedia page (facts and no praise).
- /info/en/?search=VLC_media_player
- /info/en/?search=IINA
- /info/en/?search=GOM_Player
- Yes, you said that Wikipedia is not itself a trusted source, but the player is mentioned for example here /info/en/?search=Music_visualization , but it doesn't have its own. I just wanted to close the gap. Elmedia is about 10 years old, and it doesn't need promotion on Wikipedia.
- "If you want your article to have a chance of staying on Wikipedia, you will need to find multiple independent, neutral, secondary reliable sources... Did the subject (Elmedia Player in your case) make news for something?":
- Also, about reliable sources. One of them is an article in a scientific journal, for example, Elmedia was cited in the Fraunhofer Society
- https://www.hhi.fraunhofer.de/en/news/nachrichten/2023/fraunhofer-hhi-and-electronic-team-demonstrate-how-vvc-technology-provides-a-greatly-enhanced-multimedia-experience.html
- https://www.hhi.fraunhofer.de/en/events/ibc-2023.html
- _______________
- I will take your advice and try to redo the article! Yulateli ( talk) 12:41, 26 February 2024 (UTC)