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Quiz question: what do the following people have in common?
Answer? Absolutely nothing, apart from the trivial fact that they died aged 27. And that's a list thrown up by the first couple of pages of results from a very quick search of Wikipedia - there will be many more. Categories are not for random collections of people linked only by the most trivial of connections. "Dead at the age of 27" is a completely hopeless category, because Wikipedia does not categorise people by the age at which they died.
I closed the deletion discussion for the category ( Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 July 23#Category:Dead at the age of 27) when I did for two reasons. Firstly, so many people had already called for the deletion of the category that there was as much of a chance of the discussion suddenly changing to a "keep (with or without a rename)" result as a snowball has of surviving unmelted in hell – a principle found in WP:SNOW, which allows for early closure of deletion discussions in such circumstances. Nobody else was advocating that the category be kept.
Secondly, this idea for a category (people who died aged xx) has been discussed in the past and the consensus each time has been to delete it. See the 2007 discussion and the 2010 discussion, just about the so-called "27 Club". Then read e.g. the deletion of the "Deaths by age" category structure (a decision to delete which was upheld at deletion review). Read all the arguments that led to deletion each time. Can you rebut them with proper justification based on the principles of categorisation on Wikipedia, such as WP:CAT, WP:OVERCAT? (Hint: you can't – "deaths by age" is given in WP:OC#TRIVIA as a paradigm example of something that may be "interesting" but is not "encyclopaedic" and so doesn't merit a category.) Where something has been the subject of a full deletion discussion before, and the recreated page (be it article, template, category or whatever) is essentially the same and does not address the reasons that led to deletion, then a speedy deletion is permitted. See WP:CSD#G4.
Creating / re-creating similar categories in an attempt to "force" yet another discussion that will inevitably lead to deletion, yet again, is likely to be viewed as disruptive. So please don't do that. Consensus has been established against you on the principle of this type of category, and indeed this particular category, on many times in the past, and nothing is going to change by repeating the discussions with the same non-arguments from the "keep" side.
Please note that none of this affects 27 Club at all. Those who are "members" of the club can have that mentioned in their article (either in the text, or perhaps as an entry in the "See also" section) and then those who read e.g. Winehouse's article and are interested in seeing who else is in the "club" can click through to the article. This is much better than a category.
I hope this answers your questions. I will not be reopening the discussion or undeleting the category. Regards, Bencherlite Talk 10:15, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
@/Hi Bencherlite,
If I read your answers correctly you give 2 reasons for short-cutting the disussion period and I'd like to react on both:
As I said many times by now: I fully agree that we don't want a load of categories for people dying at a specific age and for the the NAME of this category should have been renamed to prevent misunderstanding. In stead of deleting the existing category and then create a new category under the new name The subject seems -for whatever reason- extremely controversial and by cresating yet another category with the same intended members and for the same reason made no sense either.
You mention that you don't want to reopen the discussion, and I don't really mind that and because of all the controvery around this relative simple subject I won't take the initiative to start a new category like "members of the 27 club" but don't be surprised if anyone else decides to do so and the discussion might start again. I don't think I really asked for a reopening, and if I did it was NOT because I think that my arguments would persuade the community to change the outcome to 'keep category' - I even agree with the deletion of the category under this name - but when you delete the page/category you create the chance for others to (re)create it: the person might not be aware of any controversy and just create the cat. in good faith. (and we assyme good faith)
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Seen your flag of these two articles, and didn't know there was a duplication until this point. LEAP card seems like the one that needs merged under the name of Leap card, (not because I started the latter), because the actual name of the card is not capitalised (see the cards official website for confirmation). Also, LEAP card was formed more than a month after the Leap card page. -- NorthernCounties ( talk) 09:01, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
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I saw your comments on the Talk page of DGG where you advise him to archive his page. As I don't know if you follow DGG's talk page I send you this. Maybe you can also send user DreamFieldArts some advice on best practices for archiving: he currently just deletes sections of his Talk page (and according to some peoples earlier (but now deleted) comments) he also edited/changed comments made by others with the excuse 'it's MY page'. Anyway: maybe you can give DFA also some tips (see a link to my comment regarding DFA directly below your Archive! entry on DGG's talk page. See also User talk:DreamFieldArts#Editing your Talk Page - [now deleted!]. — Tonkie ( talk · contribs) via e-mail.
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Quiz question: what do the following people have in common?
Answer? Absolutely nothing, apart from the trivial fact that they died aged 27. And that's a list thrown up by the first couple of pages of results from a very quick search of Wikipedia - there will be many more. Categories are not for random collections of people linked only by the most trivial of connections. "Dead at the age of 27" is a completely hopeless category, because Wikipedia does not categorise people by the age at which they died.
I closed the deletion discussion for the category ( Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 July 23#Category:Dead at the age of 27) when I did for two reasons. Firstly, so many people had already called for the deletion of the category that there was as much of a chance of the discussion suddenly changing to a "keep (with or without a rename)" result as a snowball has of surviving unmelted in hell – a principle found in WP:SNOW, which allows for early closure of deletion discussions in such circumstances. Nobody else was advocating that the category be kept.
Secondly, this idea for a category (people who died aged xx) has been discussed in the past and the consensus each time has been to delete it. See the 2007 discussion and the 2010 discussion, just about the so-called "27 Club". Then read e.g. the deletion of the "Deaths by age" category structure (a decision to delete which was upheld at deletion review). Read all the arguments that led to deletion each time. Can you rebut them with proper justification based on the principles of categorisation on Wikipedia, such as WP:CAT, WP:OVERCAT? (Hint: you can't – "deaths by age" is given in WP:OC#TRIVIA as a paradigm example of something that may be "interesting" but is not "encyclopaedic" and so doesn't merit a category.) Where something has been the subject of a full deletion discussion before, and the recreated page (be it article, template, category or whatever) is essentially the same and does not address the reasons that led to deletion, then a speedy deletion is permitted. See WP:CSD#G4.
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I hope this answers your questions. I will not be reopening the discussion or undeleting the category. Regards, Bencherlite Talk 10:15, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
@/Hi Bencherlite,
If I read your answers correctly you give 2 reasons for short-cutting the disussion period and I'd like to react on both:
As I said many times by now: I fully agree that we don't want a load of categories for people dying at a specific age and for the the NAME of this category should have been renamed to prevent misunderstanding. In stead of deleting the existing category and then create a new category under the new name The subject seems -for whatever reason- extremely controversial and by cresating yet another category with the same intended members and for the same reason made no sense either.
You mention that you don't want to reopen the discussion, and I don't really mind that and because of all the controvery around this relative simple subject I won't take the initiative to start a new category like "members of the 27 club" but don't be surprised if anyone else decides to do so and the discussion might start again. I don't think I really asked for a reopening, and if I did it was NOT because I think that my arguments would persuade the community to change the outcome to 'keep category' - I even agree with the deletion of the category under this name - but when you delete the page/category you create the chance for others to (re)create it: the person might not be aware of any controversy and just create the cat. in good faith. (and we assyme good faith)
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Seen your flag of these two articles, and didn't know there was a duplication until this point. LEAP card seems like the one that needs merged under the name of Leap card, (not because I started the latter), because the actual name of the card is not capitalised (see the cards official website for confirmation). Also, LEAP card was formed more than a month after the Leap card page. -- NorthernCounties ( talk) 09:01, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
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I saw your comments on the Talk page of DGG where you advise him to archive his page. As I don't know if you follow DGG's talk page I send you this. Maybe you can also send user DreamFieldArts some advice on best practices for archiving: he currently just deletes sections of his Talk page (and according to some peoples earlier (but now deleted) comments) he also edited/changed comments made by others with the excuse 'it's MY page'. Anyway: maybe you can give DFA also some tips (see a link to my comment regarding DFA directly below your Archive! entry on DGG's talk page. See also User talk:DreamFieldArts#Editing your Talk Page - [now deleted!]. — Tonkie ( talk · contribs) via e-mail.
The removal of the colon(s) is more for multi-indented lists, where extra asterisks should be used instead of colons. Indenting that list is OK as far as any Manual of Style is concerned - the MOS doesn't really talk about whether a list shouldn't be indented at it's base level. I'll start leaving those lists alone. - Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 19:48, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
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