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yesterday's cantata, 300 years later -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:31, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
today a book, Alte Liebe, for Valentine -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:54, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
... and today the regional festival - DYK of 13 years ago ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:42, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
My story on 24 February is about Artemy Vedel (TFA by Amitchell235), and I made a suggestion for more peace, - what do you think? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:07, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi. Could you respond to my comments on the GA page, just so I am able to hopefully finish everything before the 7 days is up. Thanks. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 21:36, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
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If I understand task 1 correctly, any DYK hook modifications post-promotion should be logged by the bot. Hence I checked whether this edit while the hook was on the main page would show up on the relevant talk page, but it didn't. Do I have the wrong understanding or is something amiss? Schwede 66 22:54, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
I think I've triggered a bug. I've edited two hooks in prep 3 in the same edit and the bot picked up just one of the hook changes but not the other one. Not sure how often it happens that somebody edits more than one hook in a set but either way, I thought I'd let you know about it. Schwede 66 06:59, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for writing your thoughts up and pitching a draft. There has been something going over in my mind for a while, and I thought I'd share. Essentially I wonder if we have easily-accessible data about racial bias in DYK performance, and how we might work against it in practice.
The reason I bring this up is this: While I understand that your position of page views is that they are not the end-all-be-all, especially for underrepresented histories and stories (which these two subjects are), I wonder if the push for writing in conformity to established best practices -- specifically best practices for page views -- might end up reinforcing a (perceived, since I don't know if it exists) trend toward "turn[ing] Black pain and suffering into a spectacle for white/Western audiences" (quoted above). Even if we don't have this data to confirm or disprove my hunch, I wonder what your thoughts are in analysing page views and establishing best practices for hooks that don't appeal to our audiences because it highlights experiences and histories they don't relate to. I know you see DYK as a curation service, but even curators may end up reinforcing troubling practices, without them knowing it; how can we not feed into that? And how can we not feed into that, especially when we highlight page views, an indication for what resonates with our audience (for good reasons or not), so prominently in our discussions at DYK?
No easy answers here, I don't think. The solution to this problem, if there is one, might be a series of subjective calls on individual hooks -- that's ultimately fine, though inconsistent over time. (And it sort of sets apart minoritized history in a way I'm somewhat uncomfortable with; why go with page views for crafting hooks on bands, but not black newspapers?) Maybe there's something else you've been thinking of? I don't know. This is one of the things that troubles me. Urve ( talk) 06:39, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
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my daily stories |
yesterday's cantata, 300 years later -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:31, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
today a book, Alte Liebe, for Valentine -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:54, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
... and today the regional festival - DYK of 13 years ago ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:42, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
My story on 24 February is about Artemy Vedel (TFA by Amitchell235), and I made a suggestion for more peace, - what do you think? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:07, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi. Could you respond to my comments on the GA page, just so I am able to hopefully finish everything before the 7 days is up. Thanks. - Therealscorp1an ( talk) 21:36, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
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If I understand task 1 correctly, any DYK hook modifications post-promotion should be logged by the bot. Hence I checked whether this edit while the hook was on the main page would show up on the relevant talk page, but it didn't. Do I have the wrong understanding or is something amiss? Schwede 66 22:54, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
I think I've triggered a bug. I've edited two hooks in prep 3 in the same edit and the bot picked up just one of the hook changes but not the other one. Not sure how often it happens that somebody edits more than one hook in a set but either way, I thought I'd let you know about it. Schwede 66 06:59, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for writing your thoughts up and pitching a draft. There has been something going over in my mind for a while, and I thought I'd share. Essentially I wonder if we have easily-accessible data about racial bias in DYK performance, and how we might work against it in practice.
The reason I bring this up is this: While I understand that your position of page views is that they are not the end-all-be-all, especially for underrepresented histories and stories (which these two subjects are), I wonder if the push for writing in conformity to established best practices -- specifically best practices for page views -- might end up reinforcing a (perceived, since I don't know if it exists) trend toward "turn[ing] Black pain and suffering into a spectacle for white/Western audiences" (quoted above). Even if we don't have this data to confirm or disprove my hunch, I wonder what your thoughts are in analysing page views and establishing best practices for hooks that don't appeal to our audiences because it highlights experiences and histories they don't relate to. I know you see DYK as a curation service, but even curators may end up reinforcing troubling practices, without them knowing it; how can we not feed into that? And how can we not feed into that, especially when we highlight page views, an indication for what resonates with our audience (for good reasons or not), so prominently in our discussions at DYK?
No easy answers here, I don't think. The solution to this problem, if there is one, might be a series of subjective calls on individual hooks -- that's ultimately fine, though inconsistent over time. (And it sort of sets apart minoritized history in a way I'm somewhat uncomfortable with; why go with page views for crafting hooks on bands, but not black newspapers?) Maybe there's something else you've been thinking of? I don't know. This is one of the things that troubles me. Urve ( talk) 06:39, 19 February 2023 (UTC)