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You may already be aware (since you just posted a nom), but there have been other such nominations, some of which are still pending. (I won't call this canvassing since you already posted at CfD : ) - jc37 12:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
You created this category and tagged the associated templates as disambiguation templates. However, they are really not disambiguation templates as they don't disambiguate between multiple articles. Instead, they eliminate the ambiguity between the proper name and the surname within an article.
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Hello! I've been arguing for the inclusion of glossaries for years!
The latest conversation is ongoing at
Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#Glossariesarchived at
Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not/Archive 22#Glossaries. I think they're beginning to agree with the ideas I'm putting forward, so you may just want to watch for now, but I've summarized most of the recent/relevant links in that thread so it might be useful to read through.
Perhaps add these pages to your watchlist: Portal:Contents/List of glossaries and Wikipedia:WikiProject Glossaries(outofdate). Also, I'll try to give some feedback at wt:mosgloss soonish. Thanks. -- Quiddity ( talk) 03:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
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SMcCandlish [
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cont] ‹(-¿-)› 21:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)SMcCandlish. I am furious with User:Tavix. The user has occasionally moved football articles with names such as Eagle Day (football player) to Eagle Day (Canadian football) and I have reverted the move and tried to explain how that is not a helpful dab and violates the conventions and spirit of WP:NCP. The dab should describe the person and not the sport unless it makes the dab unwieldy, such as (baseball player and coach) in which common sense says that (baseball) is a reasonable exception. This kind of dab not only fails the convention of describing the person and of not making the dab any less unwieldy but it also makes for less correct dabs. Eagle Day was an American, and played both American and Canadian football. In that there are no other Eagle Days that are best known as football players, the (football player) dab is perfect.
I have tried my best to convey this in the past at User talk:Tavix but the user refuses to acknowledge my concerns. The user's response has been that the exceptions are permitted for unwieldy dabs (but clearly this does not improve it) and that the dab football in itself must be dabbed, thus the user would require the code of football attached to every football dab. It is quite unnecessary, obviously, when there is no other article that shares a name with another code of football and, in fact, it is extremely unhelpful and ambiguity about the code of football is useful when so many articles can be shared by people and things that are shared amongst the codes of football.
I was willing to correct the dabs and respond to the user about the undesirability of the moves when it was only a handful every week or so in hopes that Tavix would learn over time the wisdom of the WP:NCP but today the user has gone on a mission of, at this time and continuing of some 200 moves. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Special:Log&limit=250&type=move&user=Tavix I am too furious to respond and would like a third party familiar with the DAB conventions such as yourself to step in here. Incidentally, I see now that the user has also now moved Eagle Day to Herman "Eagle" Day. While I appreciate that it avoids the other less desirable dabs, it is a name he has never been known by. It is also only an example, there are far more moves that have been done by dabs that are of the manner I described above. DoubleBlue ( Talk) 00:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Good day SMcCandlish. This issue has continued though, thankfully, at a more moderate pace. Nonetheless, I am tired of the ridiculous moves and rationales behind them. I am generally unflappable and easy-going but this fellow has a manner that can really antagonise me somehow. His rallying cry is "Consistency", which in itself is a good thing but when it is to worse dabs it makes things consistently bad. It's become apparent to me that several in the NFL project favour the (American football) dab. I think it's a bad choice, obviously, but only get involved when it affects players who play more than one code of football. I think it's time to deal with the issue more generally.
I would very much have preferred to just use the general naming convention guidelines but it's clear that they are inadequate to deal with this situation. I wonder if it's wise at this point to begin a proposal for Naming conventions (football players) or Naming conventions (gridiron players) or Naming conventions (athletes). I respect your wisdom, experience, and neutrality in this area so am seeking your opinion on the way forward. I generally prefer broad and general guidelines to reduce the number of rules and guidelines but it may (or may not) be easier to narrow the scope. FYI, I wrote some guidelines for Canadian football player articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Canadian football/Player pages format#Naming conventions (I invite your improvements) which I suppose I would use as a starting point but would need slight modifications to include American football, great modifications to include all football codes, and wouldn't even bother to use if an Athletes-wide convention is sought. DoubleBlue ( talk) 05:23, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Of course a few hours later he begins another mass move of nearly 200 articles at this moment in the last 90 minutes. I have reported to WP:ANI. DoubleBlue ( talk) 18:05, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
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You may already be aware (since you just posted a nom), but there have been other such nominations, some of which are still pending. (I won't call this canvassing since you already posted at CfD : ) - jc37 12:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
You created this category and tagged the associated templates as disambiguation templates. However, they are really not disambiguation templates as they don't disambiguate between multiple articles. Instead, they eliminate the ambiguity between the proper name and the surname within an article.
I normally wouldn't worry about wording issues like that except there are bots who automatically create links between target (disambiguation) and target when the target has a disambiguation template. In this case, this causes an error as the target is not a dab page.
I'm going to move the categories to another name (Category:Surname clarification templates perhaps?) to prevent that from happening in the future unless there is something I'm missing.
Let me know. Thanks. -- JLaTondre ( talk) 23:06, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello! I've been arguing for the inclusion of glossaries for years!
The latest conversation is ongoing at
Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#Glossariesarchived at
Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not/Archive 22#Glossaries. I think they're beginning to agree with the ideas I'm putting forward, so you may just want to watch for now, but I've summarized most of the recent/relevant links in that thread so it might be useful to read through.
Perhaps add these pages to your watchlist: Portal:Contents/List of glossaries and Wikipedia:WikiProject Glossaries(outofdate). Also, I'll try to give some feedback at wt:mosgloss soonish. Thanks. -- Quiddity ( talk) 03:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
{{
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as off-topic for the venue. —
SMcCandlish [
talk] [
cont] ‹(-¿-)› 21:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)SMcCandlish. I am furious with User:Tavix. The user has occasionally moved football articles with names such as Eagle Day (football player) to Eagle Day (Canadian football) and I have reverted the move and tried to explain how that is not a helpful dab and violates the conventions and spirit of WP:NCP. The dab should describe the person and not the sport unless it makes the dab unwieldy, such as (baseball player and coach) in which common sense says that (baseball) is a reasonable exception. This kind of dab not only fails the convention of describing the person and of not making the dab any less unwieldy but it also makes for less correct dabs. Eagle Day was an American, and played both American and Canadian football. In that there are no other Eagle Days that are best known as football players, the (football player) dab is perfect.
I have tried my best to convey this in the past at User talk:Tavix but the user refuses to acknowledge my concerns. The user's response has been that the exceptions are permitted for unwieldy dabs (but clearly this does not improve it) and that the dab football in itself must be dabbed, thus the user would require the code of football attached to every football dab. It is quite unnecessary, obviously, when there is no other article that shares a name with another code of football and, in fact, it is extremely unhelpful and ambiguity about the code of football is useful when so many articles can be shared by people and things that are shared amongst the codes of football.
I was willing to correct the dabs and respond to the user about the undesirability of the moves when it was only a handful every week or so in hopes that Tavix would learn over time the wisdom of the WP:NCP but today the user has gone on a mission of, at this time and continuing of some 200 moves. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Special:Log&limit=250&type=move&user=Tavix I am too furious to respond and would like a third party familiar with the DAB conventions such as yourself to step in here. Incidentally, I see now that the user has also now moved Eagle Day to Herman "Eagle" Day. While I appreciate that it avoids the other less desirable dabs, it is a name he has never been known by. It is also only an example, there are far more moves that have been done by dabs that are of the manner I described above. DoubleBlue ( Talk) 00:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Good day SMcCandlish. This issue has continued though, thankfully, at a more moderate pace. Nonetheless, I am tired of the ridiculous moves and rationales behind them. I am generally unflappable and easy-going but this fellow has a manner that can really antagonise me somehow. His rallying cry is "Consistency", which in itself is a good thing but when it is to worse dabs it makes things consistently bad. It's become apparent to me that several in the NFL project favour the (American football) dab. I think it's a bad choice, obviously, but only get involved when it affects players who play more than one code of football. I think it's time to deal with the issue more generally.
I would very much have preferred to just use the general naming convention guidelines but it's clear that they are inadequate to deal with this situation. I wonder if it's wise at this point to begin a proposal for Naming conventions (football players) or Naming conventions (gridiron players) or Naming conventions (athletes). I respect your wisdom, experience, and neutrality in this area so am seeking your opinion on the way forward. I generally prefer broad and general guidelines to reduce the number of rules and guidelines but it may (or may not) be easier to narrow the scope. FYI, I wrote some guidelines for Canadian football player articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Canadian football/Player pages format#Naming conventions (I invite your improvements) which I suppose I would use as a starting point but would need slight modifications to include American football, great modifications to include all football codes, and wouldn't even bother to use if an Athletes-wide convention is sought. DoubleBlue ( talk) 05:23, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Of course a few hours later he begins another mass move of nearly 200 articles at this moment in the last 90 minutes. I have reported to WP:ANI. DoubleBlue ( talk) 18:05, 23 December 2008 (UTC)