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Rjensen 17:37, 2 January 2007 (UTC)23:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC) Rjensen
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I am for leaving this. - It shows the real sporting interests of a American President and I think it's worth leaving. Mattabat 09:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Is Parenti aa reliable source'no expert seems to think so. it fails Wiki test that even trivia have to pass. rjensen
I couldnt resist altering the Ford article. Your right however, Ive always been a Ford fan and find whats happening here a sad state of afairs. Ill leave the article alone. Ive had my fun randazzo56 02:58, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for putting up the extensive bio! I would like to expand the "History" section of this article, mainly for the 20th century.
Cheers,
-- Lholden 05:06, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Please continue the discussion on talk page. Otherwise I will revert to the NPOV version. Ultramarine 19:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Could you please see my question at Talk:Gilded Age#The frontier? - Jmabel | Talk 05:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
"no -- lots of people have masters degrees -- it's education that makes them trend setters" - Ture. But wouldn't you say that trend-setting is part of being influencial. In other words being a trend-setter results in high honor which results in higher class (Douglas M. Eicher). In other words its their education that causes them to be trendsetter (as you said) and it is both their education and their role of being trend-setter which gains them higher social status, with few exceptions. You see what I mean? BTW: Less than 10% of Americans over the age of 25 have graduate degrees (1.4% have Ph.Ds), so its quite a select group. Regards, Signature brendel 05:41, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
As one who has previously contributed to the above article, you might be interested to know that the Early life of Jan Smuts (childhood and early adulthood, 1870-1895) is up for FA nomination at the moment. Any contribution, whether a vote for/against or a suggestion for improvement, would be very much appreciated. The eventual intention is to raise Jan Smuts and its detailed sub-articles to FAs - this is the first to be completed and to go forward for nomination.
Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Early life of Jan Smuts
Best wishes, Xdamr talk 15:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Please state why you believe all critics are right-wing. Also, these so-called right-wing groups are supporting candidates they believe best represent the conservative platform that the Republican party is known for while obviously opposing candidates they believe are not truly conservative and therefore are not an adequate representative for the Republicans.
Your statements come across as biased and based more on personal opinion rather than examination of the situations and facts.
Please see my questions on the talk page of the democracy article and give a response. Ultramarine 08:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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While I tend to agree with you on alot about the Robert Byrd article, there is one point in which I have to disagree. There were not really any "liberal" Southern Democrats in the Senate in the 1960s. Even after most of them began to speak of having more enlightened views on race realtions, they were still "conservative" on most other issues. Cheers and keep up the good work. youngamerican ( ahoy-hoy) 12:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Can they just delete the early Republican articles like that or is there a case to put them back in? I'm minded to begin changinge the first paragraph of Democratic-Republicans endlessly. Skyemoor 22:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. · ·-- Getaway 14:14, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Do not erase material in the Hispanic article. If you want to discuss it do it in the discussion page. It is more than relevant, i fact it its a milestone in the understanding of both concepts, Hispanic/Spanish and Anglo. etc. Veritas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.156.140.143 ( talk • contribs) 19:07, 2 October 2006
Relative to your edit of "War in California" and comments you made in the discussion section..I wanted you to read my response..
Small battles, skirmishes, weakened US troups.... you call 18 US troops killed in San Pasqual and 14 US Marines killed in Dominguez Hills (Carson, CA) small battles and skirmishes? ..I think your references are an outdated attempt to ignore facts about the war in California...you even clear the defeated Capt William Melvine by not mentioning him at all. next, you will be calling the Californios "insurgents"
'Poorly done huh!!, It's too bad your history is so one dimentioned, as usual, being told from esoteric American / English accounts only...But you can't erase the factual, documented, heroic defending of old Southern California by a vastly undermanned, undertrained and under armed group of Californios' and Mexican regulars led by historical figures Jose Maria Flores and Jose Antonio Carrillo. Your intrinsic arrogance in the whitewash /vandalism of this article about the war in Caifornia only propagates the racist elements and anti-American sentements that are written in the discussion section of this article. If we are to further utilize proper citation for edited input to these articles, discussion should take place before a clearing edit as you did to my comments. This is Wiki, please follow the rules. DonDeigo 22:29, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the additional info. Are you aware of any gaffes he made on principles? Or are they factual errors? Trekphiler 09:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Rjensen, normally I respect your edits to this and other articles, but you're crossing the line into POVland with your edits regarding stem-cell research, as your latest edit summary makes painfully clear. Argyriou 08:09, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't see them mentioned elsewhere in the references section, so what do you mean by deleting the later book? TransUtopian 10:24, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
We seem to be on opposite sides of the Professor Kotlikoff paper. I thought we might come to some understanding. I simply can not understand why you would think it not worth mention. Can you explain?
Thanks for renewing my faith in Wikipedia. I hadn't been here in a while, and was quite disappointed in what I saw in the Rockefeller intro just before your changes. I left it alone, wondering if it was even worth it for me to bother since some clown could just come back and add more nonsense. Nevertheless, I came back today to try to clean it up, and was happy to see that you had already done so, and quite nicely.-- DocGov 19:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I have posted something similar to this on the Benjamin Franklin Talk page:
Rjensen, I have revised this section especially for you. Please don't blatantly remove my citations just because they don't line up to your political/philosophical agenda. Franklin was not a Deist (nor a Christian), but he was definitely a God-fearing man who realized the importance of morality in society. While many of the Founding Fathers were not specifically attached to a particular religion, they were all aware of the importance of religious precepts to the young country. With organized religion in their day so full of pointless dogma and dictator-like leaders, it is reasonable that Franklin and many of his contemporaries were staunchly against the ORGANIZED religions of the day. But this does not mean they were Athiests; they were actually very far from that as is clearly shown through Franklin's own words on religion (which I have added to the Franklin Wiki article).
Last time I edited this piece, I inserted Franklin's famous plea for daily prayer at the Constitutional Convention. You obviously did not appreciate this historical fact and promptly removed it. This is the icing on the cake that proves that while Franklin may have been a Deist as a youth he eventually became a very God-fearing man who sincerely believed in the power of prayer and respected all religions equally; again, this does not mean he was an Atheist. The critical point in his life that changed his view seems to have come about during the period where he realized that his "Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity" was erroneous. Soon after he wrote "Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion" which clearly demonstrate his sincere respect and love of God.
Rjensen, if you are who I think you are, you are a highly educated man. Why then would you have deleted Franklin's factual and famous plea for daily prayer from this article? Why would you have neglected to adequately summarize Franklin's "Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion"? I am sure that any history professor, especially one from a major university claiming to specialize in American History, knows that both of these pieces of history are critical pieces to the puzzle of Benjamin Fanklin's faith. You also conveneiently fail to point out that Franklin himself found his "Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity" to be fundamentally erroneous. What do you say for yourself? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaytan ( talk • contribs) 16:53, 10 October 2006
Oooooooh, Iiiiii seeeeee. So the illiterate masses out there shouldn't bother trying to get information DIRECTLY from the horse's mouth but rather we should get our information fed to us INDIRECTLY through some sort of accredited scholar who acts as a political filter of a particular persuasion for any opinion on a particular matter, huh? Sounds like the tactics dictators of history always employed... Mao Zedong, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, and Kim II Sung quickly come to mind. Also reminds me of U.S. media. OK. Thanks for setting me straight on that. WE, the people, are simply too dumb to read and understand anything from primary sources. In order to do that, WE need to have some learned person with a doctorate from some Ivy League school to help us, is that right? You "scholars" should just have all primary sources outlawed so that we can relive the days when the Church had a strangle hold on the masses by keeping the Bible in the hands of the educated priestly class. That'll be just great, right Rjensen? A dictator's dream!
If you want references from scholars, I can easily do that. But why bother when the primary sources clearly state their position? ( Gaytan 20:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
Clearly, in his Farewell Address, Washington expounds on his belief that religion and morality are important to the young country. He argues "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports." What is POV about quoting this from Washington's speech, Rjensen? Again, is the primary source the problem for you, again? George Washington said it, not me. If you don't like it, take that up with him. Rjensen, I believe Washington was speaking to you and those with your similar persuasions when he said regarding religion and morality, "In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity." Again, Rjensen, "reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle" so don't ever forget it. No matter how much you labor to abolish religion from United States History, you will never get rid of it. So quit trying to rewrite history according to your POV.
Next time you try to impose you opinions on Wiki articles at least do it tactfully. In this case you simply deleted the third major theme, as it is currently referred to in the Farewell Address article, and neglected to edit the article to reflect your intent to show that the Address only had TWO (2) major themes. Blatantly POV as demonstrated through outright neglect of the article. Didn't even bother to try to keep the article up to some kind of standards. ( Gaytan 23:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC))
Same answer again.... So I will give you the same response I gave you regarding Benjamin Franklin's beliefs:
If you want references from scholars, I can easily do that. But why bother when the primary sources clearly state their position? ( Gaytan 15:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC))
By the way, just for anyone interested, Rjensen is infamous for erasing edits that disagree with his beliefs without explanation yet he charges any who oppose his beliefs of promoting their religious beliefs! Twisted and ubsurd, huh?. Last I checked, the secular humanistic beliefs pushed by Rjensen are a religion as well, just as John Dewey called it a "faith" and just as the Supreme Court defined it in the Washington Ethical Society v. District of Columbia case of 1957. So how is it that such a tolerant and diverse-loving secularist as yourself can behave in such an INTOLERANT manner?
Rjensen would much rather remove every "religious belief" section from the U.S. Founding Father articles because there is simply too much primary source material to demonstrate that though these men may not have been orthodox Christians, their wirtings depict men who believed religion was necessary for national morality and that some of them even prayed to a Supreme Being. Every time I quote the primary sources, completely in context, Rjensen swiftly removes them and protests with such rubbish as "original research" that he claims is unauthorized in Wiki. In other words, we, the illiterate masses, shouldn't bother trying to get information DIRECTLY from the horse's mouth but rather we should get our information fed to us INDIRECTLY through some sort of political/religious filter (like an accredited scholar) for any opinion on a particular matter. Rjensen eerily promotes the tactics that the dictators of history always employed... Mao Zedong, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, and Kim II Sung quickly come to mind. In conclusion (according to Rjensen), WE the people, are simply too dumb to read and understand anything from primary sources; only learned person with doctorates from the Ivy League schools can read primary sources. ( Gaytan 15:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC))
I agree that either primary or secondary sources can be used to push POV. But Rjensen has consistently deleted all of the primary source material I have added to an article citing that the primary source quotes I had used were not consistent with Wiki standards. My edits rarely interpret this primary source material; I try my best to simply provide the quote and allow the reader to interpret for himself. But Rjensen would not allow that. He prefers to keep readers in the dark about these primary sources and instead refer to blatantly POV secondary sources that rarely deal with the primary source material. For example, my edits to the George Washington and Benjamin Franklin articles have greatly balanced the articles with respect to the religious belief of these men. Prior to my edits, these Wiki articles clearly declared these men deists (argued by many today as being closer to Atheism than any major world religion). If one would only shed light on some of the speeches these men made during their lifetimes instead of relying soley on secondary sources, one would find that, although these men may have not claimed allegience to Christianity, they were men who were likely sincere, faithful, God-fearing, and prayerful. These men knew that religion in general was important for the sucess of the new republic, and they openly shared this belief in their speeches and writings. Rjensen's quotes rarely deal with the primary source material that I refer to or often make light of it. If ever, the primary source material I cited disagreed with his sacred secondary sources, he would quickly remove the primary quotes but leave the secondary. For any honest observer, Rjensen is clearly trying to rewrite history according to his own POV, and any thing that disagress with his POV, is simply covered up in hope that it will eventually be lost in obscurity. Contemporary historians are becoming famous for this type of behavior. Primary sources are exactly that, of 'primary' importance. Secondary sources are valuable as well, but they are of 'secondary' importance, and should be employed to shed light on the primary. Rjensen is not doing this. Instead he has thrown the primary source material out of the window, many times, in an attempt to make secondary sources take the place of the primary. Again, BusterD, I agree that either primary or secondary sources can be used to push POV, but the best way to minimize this type of writing on Wiki is to assure there is a balance of primary and secondary source material on all Wiki articles. Excluding either of these clearly biases an article in a particular direction. Balance is one of the goals of Wiki, is it not? POV, or biases, is what we are trying to avoid. Rjensen's behavior does not reflect this. So while my comments about Rjensen's behavior above may be harsh, they are accurate. And it does not matter how many degrees, prestigious awards, or experience anyone has, this does not make them impervious to bias.
Rjensen has yet to acknowledge his POV on the subject of the Founding Fathers religious views. I admit, I have my POV on this subject. We all have POV. But this view was not even mentioned before, almost as if it did not exist, as if no valid historian ever argued that the Founders were not deist. Rjensen would like to completely ignore this view. An encyclopedia should present the prevailing views on a topic, not obscure them. It seems to me that instead, Wiki writers are incorrectly molding this idea of 'POV edits' into political correctness. The two ideas are clearly not synonomous. History should not be subject to our personal ideas of political correctness. For NPOV to conquer in Wiki, the freedom to include valid, major views into an article is a must. ( Gaytan 16:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC))
I again repeat, according to Rjensen "we, the illiterate masses, shouldn't bother trying to get information DIRECTLY from the horse's mouth but rather we should get our information fed to us INDIRECTLY through some sort of political/religious filter (like an accredited scholar) for any opinion on a particular matter." Scholars, like Rjensen, should interpret everything for us masses, so they say. It is akin to the days that the Roman Catholic Church despised all those who tried to translate the Bible in order to allow the masses to read it for themselves; in this way did the Church retain its power over the masses, by restricting the right to knowledge. These scholars nowadays, wish to filter everything for the masses, according to their own prejudices. So, Rjensen, if you really disagree with my primary source material, instead of deleting it, why not find some secondary source that deals with my quotes directly in order to show how I err? You know, why don't you take my primary source material, which shows how the Founders were God-fearing men that valued religion in general for America, and refute it by way of secondary source material? I won't have a problem with that, at least then, you will afford my feeble primary sources a fighting chance against your domineering secondary sources. This way your tactics will be clear; we will all be able to compare your second-hand scholars to the Founders' primary quotes directly (those which I, and others, provide). Let the reader decide whether they agree with the seconda hand sources or not. But, again, removing primary source material just because it doesn't agree with your own personal library of secondary sources is not cause for deletion. Much of the material you have relating to the Founder's religious background may not agree with my personal library of secondary sources, but that does not give me the right to delete all of your material either.
Don't get me wrong, not all scholars play unfair as does Rjensen. But when they begin to masquerade their prejudices behind secondary sources and then allow these secondary sources to ursurp authority over primary sources, then I ask, who needs or wants a scholar who is belligerently rewriting history through their own POV? What good is a scholar who distorts history in this manner? Give me someone from the masses who has thoughtfully read much of the Founding Fathers primary souce material (letters, speeches, journals, etc.) and him will I gladly accept over a "scholar" who claims that his secondary sources trump the primary.
Just read the Founders' own words, you will find, as did I, that they were God-fearing and prayerful men, not of any one particular religion, but privately religious in the manner they personally saw fit. But they were NOT clear deists, or almost athiests. These men publically asked Americans to thank God for his guidance through the revolution and for their new government, to beseech God in prayer, for continued blessing upon the country and the world, and even went as far as saying that morality was impossible without religious principles. How could anyone say that these men were near athiests and keep a straight face? These men proclaimed from their own mouths, that religion was important for the nation yet they never publically endorsed any one particular religion due to their strong belief in freedom of religion. ( Gaytan 17:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC))
One more thing, Rjensen said, "I strongly resent people trying to insert their personal religious biliefs into articles." Yes I am a religious person and I am consistently afflicted by the prejudices of scholars such as those represented by Rjensen. But Rjensen asserts that I have "inserted [my own] personal religious beliefs into this article," so I ask him to demonstrate precisely where the particular tenets of my religion have been in any way inserted into this article? My religious background, as well as my personal POVs, are available for all of Wiki to investigate. I clearly lay these all out on my user page. If I have inserted a particular doctrine of my faith in the articles on the Founders, please highlight these for further discussion. As far as I can tell, I am not guilty of this charge. But I believe Rjensen cannot say likewise. ( Gaytan 17:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC))
I have provided additional sources for my edits on Benjamin Franklin. Rjensen, please review. I also reviewed the Wikipedia:Reliable sources article which states that primary sources "typically require interpretation, interpolation, extrapolation, or corroboration, each of which usually constitutes original research. Wikipedia articles may use primary sources, so long as they have been published by a reliable source, but only to make descriptive points about the topic. Any interpretive claims require secondary sources (expert interpretation, interpolation, extrapolation or corroboration of primary sources to synthesize a conclusion). And for your particular benefit, Rjensen, no, the Wikipedia:Reliable sources article never claims that "Wiki rules REQUIRE editors to use secondary sources." If Wiki rules actually specify this somewhere, it would be an outrage (since it limits Wiki editors free speech on the subject). But I do agree with you on the point that some may misinterpret primary source material. But that is why Wiki rules stated that original interpretations of primary source material (i.e. original research) is not allowed. This does not mean that primary sources are banned from Wikipedia. All it means is that primary sources may be used only for descriptive purposes; interpretations of primary source material is what is considered original research.
The disagreement between you and I, Rjensen, really comes down to whether or not I provide any original interpretations about the primary sources I've employed. If I do, then my edits are definitely original research according to Wikipedia and should therefore be deleted. If not, my edits stay. It should be that simple.
Before you delete any of my edits again, please have the decency to provide your reasoning for doing so, detailing exactly where and how my edits constitute original research (i.e., personal interpretation of primary sources). You have yet to demonstrate this in any of your previous deletions of my materials.
And enough with the generalizations already. If I am proselytizing some particular religion, then you are clearly proselytizing atheism on Wikipedia by your actions against me. I am simply trying to separate the faiths of the Founding Fathers from underneath the tons of rewritten historical garbage produced by the alleged "scholars" in this field. But it's a formidable task considering that all these elitist "scholars" are proselytizing atheism in all their work. On top of this, these clerics of atheism and antagonists of free speech insist that the masses should not have access to primary sources but that they should instead be forced to study history as seen through their warped and biased lenses. You know what I mean, don't you, Rjensen? Sure you do. ( Gaytan 17:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC))
Wiki policy states, "Deleting the comments of other users from Talk pages other than your own, aside from removing internal spam, vandalism, etc. is generally considered vandalism." You deleted my comment. Don't do it again. - Psychohistorian 18:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
If you disagree with what I have to say in the Discussion-Section, please disagree openly, and do not simply erase my opinion. Jinmex 16:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Rjensen is at it again, huh? ( Gaytan 20:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
Regarding Questia, it appears to require a fee to subscribe. WP:EL states, under the heading "Links normally to be avoided":
So it was incorrect to say that user:Markles invents his own rules, or that he was engaged in vandalism. If you'd like to make a case for overriding the EL guideline in this matter then the article talk page would be an apporpriate place. - Will Beback 00:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
You have worked on Naming the American Civil War within the last few months. I am stepping back from the article for a day or so to avoid an edit war. My request is that you consider stepping in to apply some peer pressure in the interest of civility, NPOV, assuming good faith, etc. It's up to you. -- Alarob 00:16, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. In Britain a republic is regarded as in opposition to a monarchy. Can you provide sources for your claim otherwise?
Efforts to establish an Australian (or British) republic involve replacing the Queen as head of state.
Can you provide evidence of any monarchy that considers itself a republic?
Are you sure you are not confusing a republic with a democracy?
I consider what you just did to constitute vandalsim. Please do not attempt to blank referenced sources, for which there is support by more than a few editors.-- Fix Bayonets! 14:26, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
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If you have the time and inclination, I'd appreciate it if you would "weigh-in" on the current discussion at Talk:Hippolyte de Bouchard; it could use some objective, outside feedback. Regards, Lord Kinbote 22:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I just saw you made several improvements to the Middle class squeeze section. As of now, however, we only have one, single reference for the entire section. I really would like to get this article up to GA in the near future, but first we need to take care of all that unreferenced content. So to the point- do you happen to have the references for the "Education," "Cost of living," and "Class ascendency" sub-sections? If so (and if you have the time) could you put in the in-line citations. I'm just asking becuase I thought you might be able to help get that text referenced. Best Regards and Happy Editing! Signature brendel 06:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
You seem to be one of very few non-IPs who have been active lately at Gilded Age, so perhaps you will have some insight into my question at Talk:Gilded Age#Massive deletions: why?. If you don't have insight either, a remark from you to that effect would be useful, because it would tend to indicate that these deletions were probably vandalistic. - Jmabel | Talk 18:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if you were aware, but text dumps of the sort you made there in June are frowned upon. While the information presented there is interesting, it would greatly help if you could incorporate it into the rest of the article, create proper sections, wikify, remove POV, update to 21st century usage, etc. Biruitorul 17:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Just a heads up, I had to restore a change of yours made after the user had knocked off the bottom half of the article. They're pesky. Best regards. BusterD 21:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
But I'm wondering if you wouldn't be interested in this. If we didn't have someone tough and deeply knowledgeable it would be a waste of time. You could marshal lots of allies if you were to consider running #3, including me. You have the gravitas. Might be too much like the day job, but you could do it with one eye closed. BusterD 03:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for trimming the family section down, it looks good. I notice you've been doing a lot of work on the article alongside me - I do think it's looking a great deal better. Are you interested in trying to get it to GA status? I've been planning to go through and tidy up things like references, ISBN numbers and so on. Greycap 06:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Pmanderson is encouraging others to join in on his DR crusade, just so you know. Skyemoor 11:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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Rjensen I have asked you as nicely as I could to work within the wikipedia system of consensus and discussion before changes. Last night you again altered the Sherman article in violation of consensus. If you continue, I will ask the other military coordinators to see if we can suspend any work you do in the military task force. I am sorry it has come to this, but you cannot simply suspend the rules. old windy bear 10:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Rjensen I deeply appreciate your working with me to give me some time to go through the sources you have listed, and famliarize myself with the issues in debate, before taking this to Kirill and his other assistant military coordinators, and seeing if we can find a way to resolve this without anyone being allowed to have a proprietary interest in the article. I don't have to tell you this type of thing has happened before! I am going to the library, and on to a used book store with Basil L. Hart's works, and will have a much better grip on this shortly. (I have "Memoirs of General William T. Sherman" and I need to reread that also). I ordered "The Destructive War: William Tecumseh, Stonewall Jackson, and the Americans" by Charles Royster, which should be here tomorrow, I hope. I am doing my best to really research this, so we can get a fair resolution. Again, I appreciate your working with me, and ending the edit war - I need to really research this, and then take it up with Kirill, and then sit everyone down, and make changes as appropriate. Thanks for understanding, and working with me to get this resolved in a positive way. Please believe me, I am going to do my best to address every issue you have raised. old windy bear 18:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I saw that you removed a good deal of text from Fugitive Slave Law of 1850, particularly the section that the law's historical context. I have re-added it, and do not believe that it should be removed without justification. Thank you. -- Zantastik talk 22:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry for the immense delay involved in beginning your mediation about Richard Nixon. The Mediation Committee has been under some disarray recently, and we are trying to get the ball rolling again. Provided this conflict still needs mediation, I am more than happy to help with your dispute. Please respond on the talk page for the mediation if you are ready and willing to begin.
For the Mediation Committee, -^ demon [yell at me] 23:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
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I still sing your praises, in fact I mentioned you today again.
But I am sad to see that you still delete referenced material that doesn't match your own POV.
I was just ready to go on a wikivacation. You can revert my revert and remove the quote, but I really don't want to have another edit war with you--the last time was tramatic and taxing for both of us.
Why not just delete the quote, and then not delete any other referenced material on the page? Is that okay?
I welcome your addition to this article, I wrote the entire Foreign_relations_of_the_United_States#History_of_exporting_democracy section, but I don't think I wrote anything else.
I think the rest of the page needs to be cleaned up and referenced, but I worry about you doing it, how much will you delete in the process? Will this article go from one political ideology (leftist) to another (rightist) after you get done? Can both views coexist equally? I think they can, by your edit history before, and your edit today, I dont think you do.
I welcome your contributions to the section I originally wrote too. This section has a tramatic history, like most of the controversial sections I write.
I am well aware of WP:OWN but I am understandably protective of well researched material being deleted. I really hope you can understand.
I hope all is well. I haven't heard from you since our USSR work together.
I really wish you would have changed and grown from our edit wars before, but oh well. I see this heading:
...and am disappointed. As I have argued with a user several times without avail, the article is stronger and your POV is more forcefully, with both viewpoints on a wikipage. Recently I chastized Talk:Lenin wikiusers for the same POV warrior behavior...
I just wrote today that behavioral changes happen glacially. Travb ( talk) 10:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Look please.
Well, I am sorry to say that it appears your mediation isn't going to get off the ground. I've left repeated notices to Idleguy that we wish to begin, and he has continued to edit Wikipedia without giving any response or indication of regards to them. At this point I feel that it will be best to close the mediation. I cannot force anyone into mediation, it is an entirely voluntary process, and if Idleguy is not willing to participate, then I cannot proceed. If you still have unsettled issues about this, your other course of action (seeing as mediation failed) would be to take it to the ArbCom although they would most likely refer the case back to MedCom, and we'd be back where we started. Sorry I couldn't help with your mediation, but if I can be of any other help, don't hesitate to ask. Have a great day.
For the Mediation Committee, ^ demon [yell at me] 16:01, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Rjensen. I noted that you have had some conflict with User:Fix Bayonets! in the past. I invite you to comment on Fix Bayonets! user conduct rfc, which I started today. Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Fix Bayonets!. Thanks for any input you have. · j e r s y k o talk · 05:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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Would you mind explaining why you so strongly object to my edits, that I've done my best to support with actual published sources? Please discuss on the talk page. [15] Thanks, -- ScottMainwaring 20:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I think you are also making a distinction between "colonies" and "states" based on the July 2nd Lee Resolution. I think you are saying that is the cut-off point between when they became "states". This is a bit pedantic I think. Since the DOI restates the Lee Resolution, and was the first public notice of independence, it is usually considered the dividing line. Of course, some individual colonies (like SC) actually declared independence before the DOI. And New York didn't even vote for the Lee Resolution.
We have to be clear the precise about things. Implying that the United States was founded on July 2, 1776 is imprecise and confusing. -- JW1805 (Talk) 21:11, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
As a sometime contributor to the Hillary Rodham Clinton articles, you may want to weigh in on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cultural matters related to Hillary Rodham Clinton. Wasted Time R 13:50, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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If you really want the category out, that's fine. It is information, and information which people disagree over, despite clear evidence. I don't see how its inclusion hurts, but as I've said, it's not that big of a deal. Rkevins82 18:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Good hello. There has been a great deal of vandalism to Reconstruction over the past couple of days. I think I've managed to clean it out but if you have a minute or two would you be so kind as to give it a once over and see if I've missed anything? Thanks and cheers. L0b0t 18:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Sir,
You are dead wrong.
The comments that this is anti-Nazi propaganda are complete false. General Butler was a relative. Our family has long known the Coup history directly from General Butler. He was recruited by the Morgan Bank through John Davis' office with the intent of overthrowing the Roosevelt Administration and running the country as a "french" style fascist government. General Butler was never a socialist, communist, or even a liberal. He was born a rock solid Delaware Country Republican who's personal hatred of Hoover (Hoover was a fellow officer in China in 1898) lead him to support Roosvelt in 1932. He died a rock solid Delaware Country Republican. He spoke (never paid) before many veterans groups including the bonus marchers. He had one all consuming passion - the welfare of the troops.
A 1978 Book details the Coup and the Liberty League's true purpose. The 1934 Congressional Investigating Committee record confirms that it happenned.
You may wish to join the discussion at Talk:List of Presidents of the United States under the subsections The Democratic Party is improperly labelled "Democrat" and Color Legend. Skyemoor 00:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Work with me on this, please. I don't know much about Friedman, the Chicago "school" or Chile - but I'd like to know more.
What I do know a lot about is the clash between advocates and opponents of free market economics. -- Uncle Ed 19:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Very strange, coming from many different ips. Always glad to help if I can. BusterD 05:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I have semi-protected your user and user talk pages, as requested. -- tariqabjotu 05:18, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the cite for Brett E. Carroll, The Routledge Historical Atlas of Religion in America (2000) to Wisconsin. But my primary concern in marking the section as unreferenced was that there is no easy way to verify the percentages listed there. Are you implying that the percentages are supported by that source? older ≠ wiser 15:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Before we get into a revert war, I'll just state my case. This is from Wikipedia's Verifiable Sources entry: It is improper to copy a citation from an intermediate source without making clear that you saw only that intermediate source. For example, you might find some information on a web page which says it comes from a certain book. Unless you look at the book yourself to check that the information is there, your reference is really the web page, which is what you must cite. The credibility of your article rests on the credibility of the web page, as well as the book, and your article must make that clear.
The citation on Nelson Rockefeller's death is from the transcript of a PBS documentary on the Rockfellers which, as far as I know, has never been challenged for its veracity or authenticity. This is not gossip: Rockefeller's death was incorrectly reported at the time, and no one has ever come forward to challenge the fact that he was with a 27-year-old at the time. If there is a source that will criticize the PBS documentary manuscript -- which I have not seen -- I will avoid the discussion. But that documentary is frequently rerun on PBS stations
Moreover, I note that [ FDR entry] and the [ Gladstone entry] report, respectively, on FDR's presence with Lucy Mercer on his death, and the rumors that Gladstone took advantage of the prostitutes he attempted to save. These assertions are sourced, like the Rockefeller one. However, if we insist on removing the Rockefeller assertion, I would suggest we then remove these assertions, as they would fall under the same category.-- Idols of Mud 17:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
On the TJ talk page, Pmanderson speaks for you with, "Rjensen had originally wanted to move it to Jeffersonian Republicans, because he knows history texts that say "Republicans" (after explaining fully); but he is no longer requesting that, after finding political-science texts saying "Democratic Republican"
Is this accurate? Skyemoor 03:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
You modified the changes I made in the wording regarding the recent midterm election results. In truth, neither party will hold a majority in the Senate of the 110th Congress. This is an issue because (as you yourself point out) the majority party gets to head up the committees. With no majority party, it's not a given that the Democrats will wind up heading up all the committees. Granted, they probably will, since the two independents do identify strongly with the Democratic party, but I still think it's a technical distinction but an important one to make. Saying the Democrats have a majority in the Senate in the next Congress simply isn't true. Middlenamefrank 00:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
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Hello, if you want to improve the article with new information that is relevant and cited from reliable sources that is fine. Deleting information that is cited from well known and reliable sources as you have done is not acceptable. Please change it back, or I will request an administrator get involved. Thank you Octopus-Hands 03:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
yes, wiki does do history. however, in the demographics section on religion there are no current statistics but a very detailed section on 1906. what is so special about 1906? why not stats from every other census? why nothing current? detailed information from a specific year that far back should not be included unless you are making a point about changing demographics over time. in regards to famous hoosiers i believe the state version should be filtered down to only truly famous hoosiers -- those with outstanding accomplisments and achievements. you can't list everyone so a limit has to be decided upon. note that the current version has david letterman listed twice... is that also suggested in the wiki guide? =) Just trying to make improvements to an article in desperate need. Please take the time to review things before you revert. Randella 05:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I stumbled into this article, and found the following garbled sentence. I think I know what it's meant to mean, but I'll let you fix it, as it's part of your edits from yesterday:
The idea that American expansionism or desire for Canadian land was much discussed among historians in the 1920s-1940s,[3] but is rarely cited any more. Rocksong 06:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
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Dear sir,
I was responsible for removing a comment on the article regarding the Midwestern United States that I believe constitutes an opinion, not research or fact, and was in contradiction to information listed regarding the regional map; this information pertained specifically to the border states of Kentucky and West Virginia. I have already written an explanation of the reasoning behind my actions on the discussion page, entry 19, "Border states."
You are partially correct in your assumption; the ENTIRETY of the states of Kentucky and West Virginia are "rarely" considered Midwestern - I don't think this is ever the case for any of the border states, as their unique cultures are derivatives of the cultures of both North and South. However, WV and KY are currently both shaded states on the regional map, and the text currently under the regional map clearly states that "regional defintions vary from source to source...all OR portion of the striped states may or may not be considered part of the Midwestern United States." In their linguistic influences, agriculture, social customs, and general aspects there are parts of both KY and WV that are clearly far, far more Midwestern than Southern or Appalachian. In terms of climate, KY and WV will almost always be listed in the "Midwest" or "Northern" regions on weather charts; this is the case for the Weather Channel. (KY, in fact, sits right at the point where humid subtropical transitions into humid continental, and both of these climates are experienced in different parts of the state.) Simply search the picture function of any major search engine (Google, Yahoo, etc.) and you will find maps - many from private companies, educational and government bodies - that include KY as part of the Midwest. Remember, even border state Missouri is not universally accepted as Midwestern; I have read articles in which Missourians state disgust at having been regarded as "Southerners" in states such as Iowa and Illinois. The North Midland dialect of American English - considered "standard" American English and highly typical of the Midwest - dips into parts of both KY and WV. Numerous schools in KY participate in Midwestern athletic conferences - WKU in Bowling Green is in the Gateway Football Conference (member states Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, Kentucky, Iowa, and Ohio) and Northern Kentucky University in Highlands Heights is in the Great Lakes Valley Conference (member states Missouri, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, and Kentucky.)
We all tend to jump to conclusions at times, but the regional map on the page was correct as it was - parts of KY and WV are Midwestern, and parts aren't; this is exactly why they are striped instead of shaded, with adequate information provided to clarify the symbolism of that distinction. I will continue to monitor the page to assure that it stays that way. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gator87 ( talk • contribs) 09:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
Someone is up for an RfA Skyemoor 05:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I have left some comments on the talk page of this article in an attempt to reach consensus. Please review and respond. -- Merope 15:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
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Glad to see that under your vigilant watch any mention of Zachary Taylor's death whatsoever has been removed. Nice that the only notable thing about his presidency is gone. What happened to that article? It sucks now. I'm pretty sure you're to blame, although I'm too lazy to really care or do anything about it. Nick 21:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
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Hi R,
I created New York Manumission Society. I haven't read the book you source for the quote on the talk page of John Jay. Could you add the quote for me? It seems strange for me to do it.
Thank you, NinaEliza 00:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments, and your efforts, NinaEliza 06:37, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks :-)
The article still needs a lot of expansion, After all there massive biblogrpahy shows there is a lot that can be written on the subject..
It might also be worht mentioning in passing things like
Davey lamp, Geordie lamp. School of the Mines, the discover of coke, role of coal in gas production etc (gas works were a major coal user in the UK until natural gas was found in the North Sea), Role of coilers in labour relations (like for example the General Strike in 1926) etc etc...
ShakespeareFan00 22:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
please see my response on the talk page Talk:Jacksonian_democracy. i have had this type of disagreement with other users before, and would like to hear back from you if you agree/disagree with my response.
i think academic honesty/verifiability are the biggest problems with wikipedia right now. i think templates like the one i used promote reform in these areas. please let me know what you think (via direct response and/or a comment on my talk page! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yatta! ( talk • contribs) 06:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC).
Hi,
I note your enthusiasm for the History of Coal mining item. Any chance of looking into doing some research for possible programmes on the topic on WikiCast?
For further information on WikiCast see Wikicast wiki or leave a note on my talk page. ShakespeareFan00 14:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
We must understand that this is an international Encyclopedia. The word "white" doesn't have the same meaning around the globe. NinaEliza ( talk • contribs • count • logs • email) 02:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I noticed several of your edits to the article on FDR. Just as an FYI, unemployment was not eliminated in 1943 as you have stated. The unemployment rate was 1.9%. It was even lower in 1944 at 1.2% but it was still present. I have reverted your change back to stating it was reduced. If you have a problem with this, please contact me. Cheers! -- Daysleeper47 15:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I removed a bunch of books and papers from New York Manumission Society. I didn't do this because I disagree with them or don't want them added. I did it because one of the criteria for the peer review process is the use of
citation templates for all references, which I had done with all the URLs I cited.
I started to do this for these sources, but it was extremely tedious and I started to get frustrated and feel it was not my responsibility. I had used a specific format, and in my opinion it would have been courteous and consistent to follow suit.
Please add back the relevant books, or tell me what they are. You don't have to cite everything, just give me the title and I'll look up the author and ISBN. If you choose to add them yourself, please use citation templates. Thank you.
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Prohibition in the United States is the article about prohibition in the USA. The general article Prohibition contains only summaries of local prohibitions. `' mikkanarxi
The summary of your recent edit to Federal Reserve System here, I was wondering what sort of serious followups you were looking for. Umeboshi 00:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
I was just wondering why you made this questionable edit on the Patriots page. Kinda frustrated or something? Not that I'm encouraging you to do more <laughs>, but I'm just letting you know that I reverted it. It was quite funny, actually. Well, have a good and godly day.
JDitto 19:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
The duration of the block is 48 hours. Here are the reverts in question. alphachimp 21:20, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
[ [20]] Folks would like to know what on Earth you're doing. As a member of WikiProject Religion, I would as well. NinaEliza ( talk • contribs • logs) 22:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I must say that I have not been surprised (but quite encouraged) in regarding the discussion on Rjensen’s talk page. According to the comments by dozens of editors, Rjensen’s recent irrational, POV behavior on the Midwestern page simply reflects the overall nature of his edits on Wikipedia.
I am also not surprised that he recently partially protected his talk page. In editing, I typically use an IP as the vast majority of my edits are minor and relatively inconsequential. In reality, I am an established Wiki editor and I am well-versed in the policies of this encyclopedia. Your attempt to prevent my comments on your page, and thus to prevent debate, will not stand.
It does appear, as another editor suggested, that Rjensen believes that we, the illiterate masses, are incapable of making rational decisions or categorizations. In terms of culture, Rjensen believes that geographical boundaries equate to regional identity, and that government Census bureaucrats or editors of published encyclopedias are the final arbiters of cultural boundaries. Anything other than the sources that he considers valid constitute original research.
In reality, of course, cultural boundaries almost never correspond precisely to geopolitical boundaries, and definitions of cultural regions vary from source to source – quite significantly, in some cases. This matter is even more greatly complicated by the fact that culture is a living entity and can shift over time, often leaving historians and cultural researchers in disagreements as to where boundaries should be drawn. The Wikipedia project on US regions, in which I participated, faced this dilemma when attempting to create maps of the different US regions. A simple Google search of a term such as “Midwest” will reveal dozens of varying maps and descriptions, revealing the difficulty of defining a region (this problem is even greater with vaguer terms such as “Northern United States” and “Southern United States.”) In creating the regional maps, a nomenclature was decided upon in which solid-colored and striped states would be used. For a region such as the North, some states – i.e., Illinois – are accepted culturally, historically, and geopolitically with “virtually no debate” in the region, and those states became solid on the map. Other states tend to have a more divided history or culture, or may be of a transitional nature – the best examples in the US of states such as these are the Border States (Civil War) of Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware. Some sources include these states, or portions of these states, into one region, and some do otherwise. States with divided cultures such as these became striped on the map. These striped/solid maps are now used on the majority of the US regional pages, along with a caption explaining the aforementioned nomenclature. These maps took weeks to create and reflected a vigorous debate; they are truly the consensus of the Wikipedia community and have served their purposes well of reflecting varying, verifiable sources of regional identification and preventing pointless squabble regarding which sources are valid, and which are not. If you’d like to review the creation of these maps, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._regions .
Rjensen, in his infinite wisdom, decided to ignore this collaborative effort and has been attempting to single-handedly remove the regional map from the Midwestern page (as of late, another misinformed editor has joined him.) I have found that constructive debate with him is impossible because he will either 1. Simply ignore your argumentation and do as he so wishes 2. Label your argumentation as original research/POV and continue to do as he so wishes or 3. Refuse to acknowledge the nature of the debate, as he has done consistently by ignoring the nomenclature (striped=portion, solid=entirety) used on the regional maps, and continue to do as he so wishes. I have reverted his edits on at least a dozen separate occasions and provided pages upon pages of verifiable evidence to support the maps, but all in vain. His treatment of other editors that provide evidence supporting the map is the same. He’ll likely either ignore what I’ve written here, or simply erase it. In any event, it can be easily re-inserted.
I am pleased to join in with other Wiki editors in condemning Rjensen’s POV, personally motivated editing behavior that does nothing to ameliorate the content of Wikipedia articles. It should not be tolerated. -- Gator87 09:49, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
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Rjensen -- I noticed that you removed this item from the trivia section:
I thought that mentioning this in the trivia section rather than the death section would be uncontroversial enough. Also, the language here is perfectly unbiased. The statement itself is true and relevant. Parenti's conclusion is called "speculation." I'm afraid that negotiating with you has been unsuccessful and frustrating. Since you are an admin, and I am somewhat unfamiliar with protocol, can you tell me how we can settle this? I'd like someone else to take a look at the issue. I feel that the controversy circulating Taylor's death is significant and worthy of mention.
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You need to complete all of the steps on the AFD page in order for it to be considered for deletion. You need to create the subpage Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terry Stanton and then add that page to the log on AFD so that other editors can see that it hs been nominated for deletion.
Also, rather than blanking content and replacing with snide comments, as on Jo Anne Paul, I'd suggest simply removing any content that cannot be verified and leaving as neutral a stub as possible. Then nominate for deletion or tag for notability or whatever. older ≠ wiser 14:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Seems like a non-notable article, I finished up the AfD subpage for you. -- Dual Freq 15:47, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
How do you know that Jastrow was just a British propagandist, and that the Bagdad Railway had no influence in British policy leading to WWI? Bcameron54 05:01, 31 December 2006 (UTC) I do RR history and Ive read some of Jastrow and read the major books on causes like Stevenson. They downplay RR idea. Rjensen 15:27, 31 December 2006 (UTC) Other (non-anglo-US) historians do not play it down. why delete that perspective, after all, you're a historian. Bcameron54 01:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
in last 50 years or so historians are agreed the major powers SETTLED the Baghdad RR issue before the war started, therefore it was not a cause. THus by French historian--The Causes of the World War: An Historical Summary. by Camille Bloch translator Jane Soames 1935 makes no mention of the RR in 224 pages. Specific mention - "Some of the optimism should be attributed to the willingness of the German government to compose long-standing differences. ...and in June 1914 a settlement was achieved over the Baghdad railway." from The Coming of the First World War. by R. J. W. Evans (british) and Hartmut Pogge Von Strandman (German) - Oxford UP 1990. Page 166. Likewise this recent quote "Furthermore, many economic and colonial issues which had been causing friction between French, German and British governments before 1914, such as the financing of the Berlin-Baghdad railway and the future disposition of the Portuguese colonies, had been resolved by the summer of 1914." from The Origins of the First World War. by Ruth Henig - Routledge. 2002. Page Number: 39. Rjensen 23:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I think you added Edward Beecher to the List of people from Illinois. His article was red-linked and I just threw together a stub about him. Maybe if you get bored sometime you help make it into a decent article. Thanks. -- Dual Freq 01:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
yes, very good idea.
I have reinserted the fact involving Norman Thomas and his role in founding the ACLU into trivia section of the Harding article. I would point out that it is factual; and it is not too trivial, in fact its one of the lesser know facts on Thomas.
What you consider too trivial may infact prove of interest in another user and may engage them to learn about Thomas, and Harding - two very different men from the same community. Stude62 19:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for removing that hoax regarding Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. allegedly dying in England. I was fairly certain it was inaccurate, but could not find anything to prove or refute the information during a quick Internet search. -- TommyBoy 03:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for adding the requested cite for the horse quote in William Howard Taft. I guess I searched for the wrong phrase, the first one instead of the second. (Or you were just familiar with it to begin with.) Gotyear 02:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough! --
BenBurch 00:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I take it back. Stop reverting this article. You are ALREADY subject to a 3RR sanction, but I will not report it IF you stop reverting NOW. -- BenBurch 06:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for removing speculation about Abraham Lincoln in that article. I totally agree with you about your edit but someone constantly reverts it and both of us don't have time to argue with him. Do you think that we should nominate this article to AfD, since it's original research? Reply me for comment. Abelin C A usesobad 06:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Well I can't judge their merits (I reviewed one of them, and wasn't sure that it added much to the article). In any case, when a user's contributions only consists of addition of links to Miller Center materials, his username is MillerCenter, and ignores both my notification and the 5-minute block to get his attention, then logs out and continues adding links anonymously, it's hard to reach any conclusion but that he's here to promote his organization. - Mike Rosoft 19:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I opposed and still oppose this title change, but let's not pretend that Liberalism in the United States and American Liberalism mean two different things. The only issue is the best way to abbreviate the name of the country, which is a temptest in a teapot, and not worth a lengthy revert war. Rick Norwood 20:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
While I do not have any position on how this article should be named, what you have done has made it many times harder to get your way. You do not move articles by copying and pasting their contents. You move them by using the move tab up top. Now an admin has to force the move for it to work properly. You'll have to go to requested moves, add a request, and start up a poll to sort it out now. – Someguy0830 ( T | C) 21:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Rjensen, I started a request at WP:RM to move American liberalism to Liberalism in the United States and posted on the talk pages of Modern American liberalism and American conservativism asking editors to give their thoughts on the talk page for American liberalism, as the change would affect all the associated articles. I did follow the proper procedure. -- Cie lomobile talk / contribs 02:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I have reported you for violating the 3RR on the article Liberalism in the United States. You've already been blocked seven times for violating the 3RR; if you wish not to be blocked permanently, I urge you to stop engaging in edit wars. -- Cie lomobile talk / contribs 01:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hallo
Before I do something intemperate, I thought I'd be reasonable and asked why you removed my addition to the George Washington page?
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=George_Washington&diff=100597962&oldid=100595721
a charaid, Sean —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aodhdubh ( talk • contribs) 01:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC).
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I am for leaving this. - It shows the real sporting interests of a American President and I think it's worth leaving. Mattabat 09:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Is Parenti aa reliable source'no expert seems to think so. it fails Wiki test that even trivia have to pass. rjensen
I couldnt resist altering the Ford article. Your right however, Ive always been a Ford fan and find whats happening here a sad state of afairs. Ill leave the article alone. Ive had my fun randazzo56 02:58, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for putting up the extensive bio! I would like to expand the "History" section of this article, mainly for the 20th century.
Cheers,
-- Lholden 05:06, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Please continue the discussion on talk page. Otherwise I will revert to the NPOV version. Ultramarine 19:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Could you please see my question at Talk:Gilded Age#The frontier? - Jmabel | Talk 05:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
"no -- lots of people have masters degrees -- it's education that makes them trend setters" - Ture. But wouldn't you say that trend-setting is part of being influencial. In other words being a trend-setter results in high honor which results in higher class (Douglas M. Eicher). In other words its their education that causes them to be trendsetter (as you said) and it is both their education and their role of being trend-setter which gains them higher social status, with few exceptions. You see what I mean? BTW: Less than 10% of Americans over the age of 25 have graduate degrees (1.4% have Ph.Ds), so its quite a select group. Regards, Signature brendel 05:41, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
As one who has previously contributed to the above article, you might be interested to know that the Early life of Jan Smuts (childhood and early adulthood, 1870-1895) is up for FA nomination at the moment. Any contribution, whether a vote for/against or a suggestion for improvement, would be very much appreciated. The eventual intention is to raise Jan Smuts and its detailed sub-articles to FAs - this is the first to be completed and to go forward for nomination.
Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Early life of Jan Smuts
Best wishes, Xdamr talk 15:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Please state why you believe all critics are right-wing. Also, these so-called right-wing groups are supporting candidates they believe best represent the conservative platform that the Republican party is known for while obviously opposing candidates they believe are not truly conservative and therefore are not an adequate representative for the Republicans.
Your statements come across as biased and based more on personal opinion rather than examination of the situations and facts.
Please see my questions on the talk page of the democracy article and give a response. Ultramarine 08:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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While I tend to agree with you on alot about the Robert Byrd article, there is one point in which I have to disagree. There were not really any "liberal" Southern Democrats in the Senate in the 1960s. Even after most of them began to speak of having more enlightened views on race realtions, they were still "conservative" on most other issues. Cheers and keep up the good work. youngamerican ( ahoy-hoy) 12:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Can they just delete the early Republican articles like that or is there a case to put them back in? I'm minded to begin changinge the first paragraph of Democratic-Republicans endlessly. Skyemoor 22:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. · ·-- Getaway 14:14, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Do not erase material in the Hispanic article. If you want to discuss it do it in the discussion page. It is more than relevant, i fact it its a milestone in the understanding of both concepts, Hispanic/Spanish and Anglo. etc. Veritas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.156.140.143 ( talk • contribs) 19:07, 2 October 2006
Relative to your edit of "War in California" and comments you made in the discussion section..I wanted you to read my response..
Small battles, skirmishes, weakened US troups.... you call 18 US troops killed in San Pasqual and 14 US Marines killed in Dominguez Hills (Carson, CA) small battles and skirmishes? ..I think your references are an outdated attempt to ignore facts about the war in California...you even clear the defeated Capt William Melvine by not mentioning him at all. next, you will be calling the Californios "insurgents"
'Poorly done huh!!, It's too bad your history is so one dimentioned, as usual, being told from esoteric American / English accounts only...But you can't erase the factual, documented, heroic defending of old Southern California by a vastly undermanned, undertrained and under armed group of Californios' and Mexican regulars led by historical figures Jose Maria Flores and Jose Antonio Carrillo. Your intrinsic arrogance in the whitewash /vandalism of this article about the war in Caifornia only propagates the racist elements and anti-American sentements that are written in the discussion section of this article. If we are to further utilize proper citation for edited input to these articles, discussion should take place before a clearing edit as you did to my comments. This is Wiki, please follow the rules. DonDeigo 22:29, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the additional info. Are you aware of any gaffes he made on principles? Or are they factual errors? Trekphiler 09:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Rjensen, normally I respect your edits to this and other articles, but you're crossing the line into POVland with your edits regarding stem-cell research, as your latest edit summary makes painfully clear. Argyriou 08:09, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't see them mentioned elsewhere in the references section, so what do you mean by deleting the later book? TransUtopian 10:24, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
We seem to be on opposite sides of the Professor Kotlikoff paper. I thought we might come to some understanding. I simply can not understand why you would think it not worth mention. Can you explain?
Thanks for renewing my faith in Wikipedia. I hadn't been here in a while, and was quite disappointed in what I saw in the Rockefeller intro just before your changes. I left it alone, wondering if it was even worth it for me to bother since some clown could just come back and add more nonsense. Nevertheless, I came back today to try to clean it up, and was happy to see that you had already done so, and quite nicely.-- DocGov 19:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I have posted something similar to this on the Benjamin Franklin Talk page:
Rjensen, I have revised this section especially for you. Please don't blatantly remove my citations just because they don't line up to your political/philosophical agenda. Franklin was not a Deist (nor a Christian), but he was definitely a God-fearing man who realized the importance of morality in society. While many of the Founding Fathers were not specifically attached to a particular religion, they were all aware of the importance of religious precepts to the young country. With organized religion in their day so full of pointless dogma and dictator-like leaders, it is reasonable that Franklin and many of his contemporaries were staunchly against the ORGANIZED religions of the day. But this does not mean they were Athiests; they were actually very far from that as is clearly shown through Franklin's own words on religion (which I have added to the Franklin Wiki article).
Last time I edited this piece, I inserted Franklin's famous plea for daily prayer at the Constitutional Convention. You obviously did not appreciate this historical fact and promptly removed it. This is the icing on the cake that proves that while Franklin may have been a Deist as a youth he eventually became a very God-fearing man who sincerely believed in the power of prayer and respected all religions equally; again, this does not mean he was an Atheist. The critical point in his life that changed his view seems to have come about during the period where he realized that his "Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity" was erroneous. Soon after he wrote "Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion" which clearly demonstrate his sincere respect and love of God.
Rjensen, if you are who I think you are, you are a highly educated man. Why then would you have deleted Franklin's factual and famous plea for daily prayer from this article? Why would you have neglected to adequately summarize Franklin's "Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion"? I am sure that any history professor, especially one from a major university claiming to specialize in American History, knows that both of these pieces of history are critical pieces to the puzzle of Benjamin Fanklin's faith. You also conveneiently fail to point out that Franklin himself found his "Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity" to be fundamentally erroneous. What do you say for yourself? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaytan ( talk • contribs) 16:53, 10 October 2006
Oooooooh, Iiiiii seeeeee. So the illiterate masses out there shouldn't bother trying to get information DIRECTLY from the horse's mouth but rather we should get our information fed to us INDIRECTLY through some sort of accredited scholar who acts as a political filter of a particular persuasion for any opinion on a particular matter, huh? Sounds like the tactics dictators of history always employed... Mao Zedong, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, and Kim II Sung quickly come to mind. Also reminds me of U.S. media. OK. Thanks for setting me straight on that. WE, the people, are simply too dumb to read and understand anything from primary sources. In order to do that, WE need to have some learned person with a doctorate from some Ivy League school to help us, is that right? You "scholars" should just have all primary sources outlawed so that we can relive the days when the Church had a strangle hold on the masses by keeping the Bible in the hands of the educated priestly class. That'll be just great, right Rjensen? A dictator's dream!
If you want references from scholars, I can easily do that. But why bother when the primary sources clearly state their position? ( Gaytan 20:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
Clearly, in his Farewell Address, Washington expounds on his belief that religion and morality are important to the young country. He argues "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports." What is POV about quoting this from Washington's speech, Rjensen? Again, is the primary source the problem for you, again? George Washington said it, not me. If you don't like it, take that up with him. Rjensen, I believe Washington was speaking to you and those with your similar persuasions when he said regarding religion and morality, "In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity." Again, Rjensen, "reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle" so don't ever forget it. No matter how much you labor to abolish religion from United States History, you will never get rid of it. So quit trying to rewrite history according to your POV.
Next time you try to impose you opinions on Wiki articles at least do it tactfully. In this case you simply deleted the third major theme, as it is currently referred to in the Farewell Address article, and neglected to edit the article to reflect your intent to show that the Address only had TWO (2) major themes. Blatantly POV as demonstrated through outright neglect of the article. Didn't even bother to try to keep the article up to some kind of standards. ( Gaytan 23:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC))
Same answer again.... So I will give you the same response I gave you regarding Benjamin Franklin's beliefs:
If you want references from scholars, I can easily do that. But why bother when the primary sources clearly state their position? ( Gaytan 15:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC))
By the way, just for anyone interested, Rjensen is infamous for erasing edits that disagree with his beliefs without explanation yet he charges any who oppose his beliefs of promoting their religious beliefs! Twisted and ubsurd, huh?. Last I checked, the secular humanistic beliefs pushed by Rjensen are a religion as well, just as John Dewey called it a "faith" and just as the Supreme Court defined it in the Washington Ethical Society v. District of Columbia case of 1957. So how is it that such a tolerant and diverse-loving secularist as yourself can behave in such an INTOLERANT manner?
Rjensen would much rather remove every "religious belief" section from the U.S. Founding Father articles because there is simply too much primary source material to demonstrate that though these men may not have been orthodox Christians, their wirtings depict men who believed religion was necessary for national morality and that some of them even prayed to a Supreme Being. Every time I quote the primary sources, completely in context, Rjensen swiftly removes them and protests with such rubbish as "original research" that he claims is unauthorized in Wiki. In other words, we, the illiterate masses, shouldn't bother trying to get information DIRECTLY from the horse's mouth but rather we should get our information fed to us INDIRECTLY through some sort of political/religious filter (like an accredited scholar) for any opinion on a particular matter. Rjensen eerily promotes the tactics that the dictators of history always employed... Mao Zedong, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, and Kim II Sung quickly come to mind. In conclusion (according to Rjensen), WE the people, are simply too dumb to read and understand anything from primary sources; only learned person with doctorates from the Ivy League schools can read primary sources. ( Gaytan 15:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC))
I agree that either primary or secondary sources can be used to push POV. But Rjensen has consistently deleted all of the primary source material I have added to an article citing that the primary source quotes I had used were not consistent with Wiki standards. My edits rarely interpret this primary source material; I try my best to simply provide the quote and allow the reader to interpret for himself. But Rjensen would not allow that. He prefers to keep readers in the dark about these primary sources and instead refer to blatantly POV secondary sources that rarely deal with the primary source material. For example, my edits to the George Washington and Benjamin Franklin articles have greatly balanced the articles with respect to the religious belief of these men. Prior to my edits, these Wiki articles clearly declared these men deists (argued by many today as being closer to Atheism than any major world religion). If one would only shed light on some of the speeches these men made during their lifetimes instead of relying soley on secondary sources, one would find that, although these men may have not claimed allegience to Christianity, they were men who were likely sincere, faithful, God-fearing, and prayerful. These men knew that religion in general was important for the sucess of the new republic, and they openly shared this belief in their speeches and writings. Rjensen's quotes rarely deal with the primary source material that I refer to or often make light of it. If ever, the primary source material I cited disagreed with his sacred secondary sources, he would quickly remove the primary quotes but leave the secondary. For any honest observer, Rjensen is clearly trying to rewrite history according to his own POV, and any thing that disagress with his POV, is simply covered up in hope that it will eventually be lost in obscurity. Contemporary historians are becoming famous for this type of behavior. Primary sources are exactly that, of 'primary' importance. Secondary sources are valuable as well, but they are of 'secondary' importance, and should be employed to shed light on the primary. Rjensen is not doing this. Instead he has thrown the primary source material out of the window, many times, in an attempt to make secondary sources take the place of the primary. Again, BusterD, I agree that either primary or secondary sources can be used to push POV, but the best way to minimize this type of writing on Wiki is to assure there is a balance of primary and secondary source material on all Wiki articles. Excluding either of these clearly biases an article in a particular direction. Balance is one of the goals of Wiki, is it not? POV, or biases, is what we are trying to avoid. Rjensen's behavior does not reflect this. So while my comments about Rjensen's behavior above may be harsh, they are accurate. And it does not matter how many degrees, prestigious awards, or experience anyone has, this does not make them impervious to bias.
Rjensen has yet to acknowledge his POV on the subject of the Founding Fathers religious views. I admit, I have my POV on this subject. We all have POV. But this view was not even mentioned before, almost as if it did not exist, as if no valid historian ever argued that the Founders were not deist. Rjensen would like to completely ignore this view. An encyclopedia should present the prevailing views on a topic, not obscure them. It seems to me that instead, Wiki writers are incorrectly molding this idea of 'POV edits' into political correctness. The two ideas are clearly not synonomous. History should not be subject to our personal ideas of political correctness. For NPOV to conquer in Wiki, the freedom to include valid, major views into an article is a must. ( Gaytan 16:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC))
I again repeat, according to Rjensen "we, the illiterate masses, shouldn't bother trying to get information DIRECTLY from the horse's mouth but rather we should get our information fed to us INDIRECTLY through some sort of political/religious filter (like an accredited scholar) for any opinion on a particular matter." Scholars, like Rjensen, should interpret everything for us masses, so they say. It is akin to the days that the Roman Catholic Church despised all those who tried to translate the Bible in order to allow the masses to read it for themselves; in this way did the Church retain its power over the masses, by restricting the right to knowledge. These scholars nowadays, wish to filter everything for the masses, according to their own prejudices. So, Rjensen, if you really disagree with my primary source material, instead of deleting it, why not find some secondary source that deals with my quotes directly in order to show how I err? You know, why don't you take my primary source material, which shows how the Founders were God-fearing men that valued religion in general for America, and refute it by way of secondary source material? I won't have a problem with that, at least then, you will afford my feeble primary sources a fighting chance against your domineering secondary sources. This way your tactics will be clear; we will all be able to compare your second-hand scholars to the Founders' primary quotes directly (those which I, and others, provide). Let the reader decide whether they agree with the seconda hand sources or not. But, again, removing primary source material just because it doesn't agree with your own personal library of secondary sources is not cause for deletion. Much of the material you have relating to the Founder's religious background may not agree with my personal library of secondary sources, but that does not give me the right to delete all of your material either.
Don't get me wrong, not all scholars play unfair as does Rjensen. But when they begin to masquerade their prejudices behind secondary sources and then allow these secondary sources to ursurp authority over primary sources, then I ask, who needs or wants a scholar who is belligerently rewriting history through their own POV? What good is a scholar who distorts history in this manner? Give me someone from the masses who has thoughtfully read much of the Founding Fathers primary souce material (letters, speeches, journals, etc.) and him will I gladly accept over a "scholar" who claims that his secondary sources trump the primary.
Just read the Founders' own words, you will find, as did I, that they were God-fearing and prayerful men, not of any one particular religion, but privately religious in the manner they personally saw fit. But they were NOT clear deists, or almost athiests. These men publically asked Americans to thank God for his guidance through the revolution and for their new government, to beseech God in prayer, for continued blessing upon the country and the world, and even went as far as saying that morality was impossible without religious principles. How could anyone say that these men were near athiests and keep a straight face? These men proclaimed from their own mouths, that religion was important for the nation yet they never publically endorsed any one particular religion due to their strong belief in freedom of religion. ( Gaytan 17:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC))
One more thing, Rjensen said, "I strongly resent people trying to insert their personal religious biliefs into articles." Yes I am a religious person and I am consistently afflicted by the prejudices of scholars such as those represented by Rjensen. But Rjensen asserts that I have "inserted [my own] personal religious beliefs into this article," so I ask him to demonstrate precisely where the particular tenets of my religion have been in any way inserted into this article? My religious background, as well as my personal POVs, are available for all of Wiki to investigate. I clearly lay these all out on my user page. If I have inserted a particular doctrine of my faith in the articles on the Founders, please highlight these for further discussion. As far as I can tell, I am not guilty of this charge. But I believe Rjensen cannot say likewise. ( Gaytan 17:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC))
I have provided additional sources for my edits on Benjamin Franklin. Rjensen, please review. I also reviewed the Wikipedia:Reliable sources article which states that primary sources "typically require interpretation, interpolation, extrapolation, or corroboration, each of which usually constitutes original research. Wikipedia articles may use primary sources, so long as they have been published by a reliable source, but only to make descriptive points about the topic. Any interpretive claims require secondary sources (expert interpretation, interpolation, extrapolation or corroboration of primary sources to synthesize a conclusion). And for your particular benefit, Rjensen, no, the Wikipedia:Reliable sources article never claims that "Wiki rules REQUIRE editors to use secondary sources." If Wiki rules actually specify this somewhere, it would be an outrage (since it limits Wiki editors free speech on the subject). But I do agree with you on the point that some may misinterpret primary source material. But that is why Wiki rules stated that original interpretations of primary source material (i.e. original research) is not allowed. This does not mean that primary sources are banned from Wikipedia. All it means is that primary sources may be used only for descriptive purposes; interpretations of primary source material is what is considered original research.
The disagreement between you and I, Rjensen, really comes down to whether or not I provide any original interpretations about the primary sources I've employed. If I do, then my edits are definitely original research according to Wikipedia and should therefore be deleted. If not, my edits stay. It should be that simple.
Before you delete any of my edits again, please have the decency to provide your reasoning for doing so, detailing exactly where and how my edits constitute original research (i.e., personal interpretation of primary sources). You have yet to demonstrate this in any of your previous deletions of my materials.
And enough with the generalizations already. If I am proselytizing some particular religion, then you are clearly proselytizing atheism on Wikipedia by your actions against me. I am simply trying to separate the faiths of the Founding Fathers from underneath the tons of rewritten historical garbage produced by the alleged "scholars" in this field. But it's a formidable task considering that all these elitist "scholars" are proselytizing atheism in all their work. On top of this, these clerics of atheism and antagonists of free speech insist that the masses should not have access to primary sources but that they should instead be forced to study history as seen through their warped and biased lenses. You know what I mean, don't you, Rjensen? Sure you do. ( Gaytan 17:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC))
Wiki policy states, "Deleting the comments of other users from Talk pages other than your own, aside from removing internal spam, vandalism, etc. is generally considered vandalism." You deleted my comment. Don't do it again. - Psychohistorian 18:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
If you disagree with what I have to say in the Discussion-Section, please disagree openly, and do not simply erase my opinion. Jinmex 16:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Rjensen is at it again, huh? ( Gaytan 20:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC))
Regarding Questia, it appears to require a fee to subscribe. WP:EL states, under the heading "Links normally to be avoided":
So it was incorrect to say that user:Markles invents his own rules, or that he was engaged in vandalism. If you'd like to make a case for overriding the EL guideline in this matter then the article talk page would be an apporpriate place. - Will Beback 00:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
You have worked on Naming the American Civil War within the last few months. I am stepping back from the article for a day or so to avoid an edit war. My request is that you consider stepping in to apply some peer pressure in the interest of civility, NPOV, assuming good faith, etc. It's up to you. -- Alarob 00:16, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. In Britain a republic is regarded as in opposition to a monarchy. Can you provide sources for your claim otherwise?
Efforts to establish an Australian (or British) republic involve replacing the Queen as head of state.
Can you provide evidence of any monarchy that considers itself a republic?
Are you sure you are not confusing a republic with a democracy?
I consider what you just did to constitute vandalsim. Please do not attempt to blank referenced sources, for which there is support by more than a few editors.-- Fix Bayonets! 14:26, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
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If you have the time and inclination, I'd appreciate it if you would "weigh-in" on the current discussion at Talk:Hippolyte de Bouchard; it could use some objective, outside feedback. Regards, Lord Kinbote 22:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I just saw you made several improvements to the Middle class squeeze section. As of now, however, we only have one, single reference for the entire section. I really would like to get this article up to GA in the near future, but first we need to take care of all that unreferenced content. So to the point- do you happen to have the references for the "Education," "Cost of living," and "Class ascendency" sub-sections? If so (and if you have the time) could you put in the in-line citations. I'm just asking becuase I thought you might be able to help get that text referenced. Best Regards and Happy Editing! Signature brendel 06:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
You seem to be one of very few non-IPs who have been active lately at Gilded Age, so perhaps you will have some insight into my question at Talk:Gilded Age#Massive deletions: why?. If you don't have insight either, a remark from you to that effect would be useful, because it would tend to indicate that these deletions were probably vandalistic. - Jmabel | Talk 18:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if you were aware, but text dumps of the sort you made there in June are frowned upon. While the information presented there is interesting, it would greatly help if you could incorporate it into the rest of the article, create proper sections, wikify, remove POV, update to 21st century usage, etc. Biruitorul 17:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Just a heads up, I had to restore a change of yours made after the user had knocked off the bottom half of the article. They're pesky. Best regards. BusterD 21:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
But I'm wondering if you wouldn't be interested in this. If we didn't have someone tough and deeply knowledgeable it would be a waste of time. You could marshal lots of allies if you were to consider running #3, including me. You have the gravitas. Might be too much like the day job, but you could do it with one eye closed. BusterD 03:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for trimming the family section down, it looks good. I notice you've been doing a lot of work on the article alongside me - I do think it's looking a great deal better. Are you interested in trying to get it to GA status? I've been planning to go through and tidy up things like references, ISBN numbers and so on. Greycap 06:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Pmanderson is encouraging others to join in on his DR crusade, just so you know. Skyemoor 11:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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Rjensen I have asked you as nicely as I could to work within the wikipedia system of consensus and discussion before changes. Last night you again altered the Sherman article in violation of consensus. If you continue, I will ask the other military coordinators to see if we can suspend any work you do in the military task force. I am sorry it has come to this, but you cannot simply suspend the rules. old windy bear 10:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Rjensen I deeply appreciate your working with me to give me some time to go through the sources you have listed, and famliarize myself with the issues in debate, before taking this to Kirill and his other assistant military coordinators, and seeing if we can find a way to resolve this without anyone being allowed to have a proprietary interest in the article. I don't have to tell you this type of thing has happened before! I am going to the library, and on to a used book store with Basil L. Hart's works, and will have a much better grip on this shortly. (I have "Memoirs of General William T. Sherman" and I need to reread that also). I ordered "The Destructive War: William Tecumseh, Stonewall Jackson, and the Americans" by Charles Royster, which should be here tomorrow, I hope. I am doing my best to really research this, so we can get a fair resolution. Again, I appreciate your working with me, and ending the edit war - I need to really research this, and then take it up with Kirill, and then sit everyone down, and make changes as appropriate. Thanks for understanding, and working with me to get this resolved in a positive way. Please believe me, I am going to do my best to address every issue you have raised. old windy bear 18:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I saw that you removed a good deal of text from Fugitive Slave Law of 1850, particularly the section that the law's historical context. I have re-added it, and do not believe that it should be removed without justification. Thank you. -- Zantastik talk 22:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry for the immense delay involved in beginning your mediation about Richard Nixon. The Mediation Committee has been under some disarray recently, and we are trying to get the ball rolling again. Provided this conflict still needs mediation, I am more than happy to help with your dispute. Please respond on the talk page for the mediation if you are ready and willing to begin.
For the Mediation Committee, -^ demon [yell at me] 23:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
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I still sing your praises, in fact I mentioned you today again.
But I am sad to see that you still delete referenced material that doesn't match your own POV.
I was just ready to go on a wikivacation. You can revert my revert and remove the quote, but I really don't want to have another edit war with you--the last time was tramatic and taxing for both of us.
Why not just delete the quote, and then not delete any other referenced material on the page? Is that okay?
I welcome your addition to this article, I wrote the entire Foreign_relations_of_the_United_States#History_of_exporting_democracy section, but I don't think I wrote anything else.
I think the rest of the page needs to be cleaned up and referenced, but I worry about you doing it, how much will you delete in the process? Will this article go from one political ideology (leftist) to another (rightist) after you get done? Can both views coexist equally? I think they can, by your edit history before, and your edit today, I dont think you do.
I welcome your contributions to the section I originally wrote too. This section has a tramatic history, like most of the controversial sections I write.
I am well aware of WP:OWN but I am understandably protective of well researched material being deleted. I really hope you can understand.
I hope all is well. I haven't heard from you since our USSR work together.
I really wish you would have changed and grown from our edit wars before, but oh well. I see this heading:
...and am disappointed. As I have argued with a user several times without avail, the article is stronger and your POV is more forcefully, with both viewpoints on a wikipage. Recently I chastized Talk:Lenin wikiusers for the same POV warrior behavior...
I just wrote today that behavioral changes happen glacially. Travb ( talk) 10:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Look please.
Well, I am sorry to say that it appears your mediation isn't going to get off the ground. I've left repeated notices to Idleguy that we wish to begin, and he has continued to edit Wikipedia without giving any response or indication of regards to them. At this point I feel that it will be best to close the mediation. I cannot force anyone into mediation, it is an entirely voluntary process, and if Idleguy is not willing to participate, then I cannot proceed. If you still have unsettled issues about this, your other course of action (seeing as mediation failed) would be to take it to the ArbCom although they would most likely refer the case back to MedCom, and we'd be back where we started. Sorry I couldn't help with your mediation, but if I can be of any other help, don't hesitate to ask. Have a great day.
For the Mediation Committee, ^ demon [yell at me] 16:01, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Rjensen. I noted that you have had some conflict with User:Fix Bayonets! in the past. I invite you to comment on Fix Bayonets! user conduct rfc, which I started today. Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Fix Bayonets!. Thanks for any input you have. · j e r s y k o talk · 05:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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Would you mind explaining why you so strongly object to my edits, that I've done my best to support with actual published sources? Please discuss on the talk page. [15] Thanks, -- ScottMainwaring 20:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I think you are also making a distinction between "colonies" and "states" based on the July 2nd Lee Resolution. I think you are saying that is the cut-off point between when they became "states". This is a bit pedantic I think. Since the DOI restates the Lee Resolution, and was the first public notice of independence, it is usually considered the dividing line. Of course, some individual colonies (like SC) actually declared independence before the DOI. And New York didn't even vote for the Lee Resolution.
We have to be clear the precise about things. Implying that the United States was founded on July 2, 1776 is imprecise and confusing. -- JW1805 (Talk) 21:11, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
As a sometime contributor to the Hillary Rodham Clinton articles, you may want to weigh in on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cultural matters related to Hillary Rodham Clinton. Wasted Time R 13:50, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr.. Please be careful not to remove content from Wikipedia without a valid reason, which you should specify in the edit summary or on the article's talk page. Take a look at our welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. NCurs e work 10:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
If you really want the category out, that's fine. It is information, and information which people disagree over, despite clear evidence. I don't see how its inclusion hurts, but as I've said, it's not that big of a deal. Rkevins82 18:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Good hello. There has been a great deal of vandalism to Reconstruction over the past couple of days. I think I've managed to clean it out but if you have a minute or two would you be so kind as to give it a once over and see if I've missed anything? Thanks and cheers. L0b0t 18:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Sir,
You are dead wrong.
The comments that this is anti-Nazi propaganda are complete false. General Butler was a relative. Our family has long known the Coup history directly from General Butler. He was recruited by the Morgan Bank through John Davis' office with the intent of overthrowing the Roosevelt Administration and running the country as a "french" style fascist government. General Butler was never a socialist, communist, or even a liberal. He was born a rock solid Delaware Country Republican who's personal hatred of Hoover (Hoover was a fellow officer in China in 1898) lead him to support Roosvelt in 1932. He died a rock solid Delaware Country Republican. He spoke (never paid) before many veterans groups including the bonus marchers. He had one all consuming passion - the welfare of the troops.
A 1978 Book details the Coup and the Liberty League's true purpose. The 1934 Congressional Investigating Committee record confirms that it happenned.
You may wish to join the discussion at Talk:List of Presidents of the United States under the subsections The Democratic Party is improperly labelled "Democrat" and Color Legend. Skyemoor 00:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Work with me on this, please. I don't know much about Friedman, the Chicago "school" or Chile - but I'd like to know more.
What I do know a lot about is the clash between advocates and opponents of free market economics. -- Uncle Ed 19:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Very strange, coming from many different ips. Always glad to help if I can. BusterD 05:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I have semi-protected your user and user talk pages, as requested. -- tariqabjotu 05:18, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the cite for Brett E. Carroll, The Routledge Historical Atlas of Religion in America (2000) to Wisconsin. But my primary concern in marking the section as unreferenced was that there is no easy way to verify the percentages listed there. Are you implying that the percentages are supported by that source? older ≠ wiser 15:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Before we get into a revert war, I'll just state my case. This is from Wikipedia's Verifiable Sources entry: It is improper to copy a citation from an intermediate source without making clear that you saw only that intermediate source. For example, you might find some information on a web page which says it comes from a certain book. Unless you look at the book yourself to check that the information is there, your reference is really the web page, which is what you must cite. The credibility of your article rests on the credibility of the web page, as well as the book, and your article must make that clear.
The citation on Nelson Rockefeller's death is from the transcript of a PBS documentary on the Rockfellers which, as far as I know, has never been challenged for its veracity or authenticity. This is not gossip: Rockefeller's death was incorrectly reported at the time, and no one has ever come forward to challenge the fact that he was with a 27-year-old at the time. If there is a source that will criticize the PBS documentary manuscript -- which I have not seen -- I will avoid the discussion. But that documentary is frequently rerun on PBS stations
Moreover, I note that [ FDR entry] and the [ Gladstone entry] report, respectively, on FDR's presence with Lucy Mercer on his death, and the rumors that Gladstone took advantage of the prostitutes he attempted to save. These assertions are sourced, like the Rockefeller one. However, if we insist on removing the Rockefeller assertion, I would suggest we then remove these assertions, as they would fall under the same category.-- Idols of Mud 17:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
On the TJ talk page, Pmanderson speaks for you with, "Rjensen had originally wanted to move it to Jeffersonian Republicans, because he knows history texts that say "Republicans" (after explaining fully); but he is no longer requesting that, after finding political-science texts saying "Democratic Republican"
Is this accurate? Skyemoor 03:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
You modified the changes I made in the wording regarding the recent midterm election results. In truth, neither party will hold a majority in the Senate of the 110th Congress. This is an issue because (as you yourself point out) the majority party gets to head up the committees. With no majority party, it's not a given that the Democrats will wind up heading up all the committees. Granted, they probably will, since the two independents do identify strongly with the Democratic party, but I still think it's a technical distinction but an important one to make. Saying the Democrats have a majority in the Senate in the next Congress simply isn't true. Middlenamefrank 00:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
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Hello, if you want to improve the article with new information that is relevant and cited from reliable sources that is fine. Deleting information that is cited from well known and reliable sources as you have done is not acceptable. Please change it back, or I will request an administrator get involved. Thank you Octopus-Hands 03:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
yes, wiki does do history. however, in the demographics section on religion there are no current statistics but a very detailed section on 1906. what is so special about 1906? why not stats from every other census? why nothing current? detailed information from a specific year that far back should not be included unless you are making a point about changing demographics over time. in regards to famous hoosiers i believe the state version should be filtered down to only truly famous hoosiers -- those with outstanding accomplisments and achievements. you can't list everyone so a limit has to be decided upon. note that the current version has david letterman listed twice... is that also suggested in the wiki guide? =) Just trying to make improvements to an article in desperate need. Please take the time to review things before you revert. Randella 05:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I stumbled into this article, and found the following garbled sentence. I think I know what it's meant to mean, but I'll let you fix it, as it's part of your edits from yesterday:
The idea that American expansionism or desire for Canadian land was much discussed among historians in the 1920s-1940s,[3] but is rarely cited any more. Rocksong 06:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
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Further to your move of List of War of 1812 books, please do not move articles without first discussing on the articles discussion page. Thank you Octopus-Hands 22:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Dear sir,
I was responsible for removing a comment on the article regarding the Midwestern United States that I believe constitutes an opinion, not research or fact, and was in contradiction to information listed regarding the regional map; this information pertained specifically to the border states of Kentucky and West Virginia. I have already written an explanation of the reasoning behind my actions on the discussion page, entry 19, "Border states."
You are partially correct in your assumption; the ENTIRETY of the states of Kentucky and West Virginia are "rarely" considered Midwestern - I don't think this is ever the case for any of the border states, as their unique cultures are derivatives of the cultures of both North and South. However, WV and KY are currently both shaded states on the regional map, and the text currently under the regional map clearly states that "regional defintions vary from source to source...all OR portion of the striped states may or may not be considered part of the Midwestern United States." In their linguistic influences, agriculture, social customs, and general aspects there are parts of both KY and WV that are clearly far, far more Midwestern than Southern or Appalachian. In terms of climate, KY and WV will almost always be listed in the "Midwest" or "Northern" regions on weather charts; this is the case for the Weather Channel. (KY, in fact, sits right at the point where humid subtropical transitions into humid continental, and both of these climates are experienced in different parts of the state.) Simply search the picture function of any major search engine (Google, Yahoo, etc.) and you will find maps - many from private companies, educational and government bodies - that include KY as part of the Midwest. Remember, even border state Missouri is not universally accepted as Midwestern; I have read articles in which Missourians state disgust at having been regarded as "Southerners" in states such as Iowa and Illinois. The North Midland dialect of American English - considered "standard" American English and highly typical of the Midwest - dips into parts of both KY and WV. Numerous schools in KY participate in Midwestern athletic conferences - WKU in Bowling Green is in the Gateway Football Conference (member states Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, Kentucky, Iowa, and Ohio) and Northern Kentucky University in Highlands Heights is in the Great Lakes Valley Conference (member states Missouri, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, and Kentucky.)
We all tend to jump to conclusions at times, but the regional map on the page was correct as it was - parts of KY and WV are Midwestern, and parts aren't; this is exactly why they are striped instead of shaded, with adequate information provided to clarify the symbolism of that distinction. I will continue to monitor the page to assure that it stays that way. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gator87 ( talk • contribs) 09:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
Someone is up for an RfA Skyemoor 05:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I have left some comments on the talk page of this article in an attempt to reach consensus. Please review and respond. -- Merope 15:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
You might want to try Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard instead of Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents Nil Einne 20:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Glad to see that under your vigilant watch any mention of Zachary Taylor's death whatsoever has been removed. Nice that the only notable thing about his presidency is gone. What happened to that article? It sucks now. I'm pretty sure you're to blame, although I'm too lazy to really care or do anything about it. Nick 21:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
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Hi R,
I created New York Manumission Society. I haven't read the book you source for the quote on the talk page of John Jay. Could you add the quote for me? It seems strange for me to do it.
Thank you, NinaEliza 00:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments, and your efforts, NinaEliza 06:37, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks :-)
The article still needs a lot of expansion, After all there massive biblogrpahy shows there is a lot that can be written on the subject..
It might also be worht mentioning in passing things like
Davey lamp, Geordie lamp. School of the Mines, the discover of coke, role of coal in gas production etc (gas works were a major coal user in the UK until natural gas was found in the North Sea), Role of coilers in labour relations (like for example the General Strike in 1926) etc etc...
ShakespeareFan00 22:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
please see my response on the talk page Talk:Jacksonian_democracy. i have had this type of disagreement with other users before, and would like to hear back from you if you agree/disagree with my response.
i think academic honesty/verifiability are the biggest problems with wikipedia right now. i think templates like the one i used promote reform in these areas. please let me know what you think (via direct response and/or a comment on my talk page! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yatta! ( talk • contribs) 06:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC).
Hi,
I note your enthusiasm for the History of Coal mining item. Any chance of looking into doing some research for possible programmes on the topic on WikiCast?
For further information on WikiCast see Wikicast wiki or leave a note on my talk page. ShakespeareFan00 14:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
We must understand that this is an international Encyclopedia. The word "white" doesn't have the same meaning around the globe. NinaEliza ( talk • contribs • count • logs • email) 02:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I noticed several of your edits to the article on FDR. Just as an FYI, unemployment was not eliminated in 1943 as you have stated. The unemployment rate was 1.9%. It was even lower in 1944 at 1.2% but it was still present. I have reverted your change back to stating it was reduced. If you have a problem with this, please contact me. Cheers! -- Daysleeper47 15:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I removed a bunch of books and papers from New York Manumission Society. I didn't do this because I disagree with them or don't want them added. I did it because one of the criteria for the peer review process is the use of
citation templates for all references, which I had done with all the URLs I cited.
I started to do this for these sources, but it was extremely tedious and I started to get frustrated and feel it was not my responsibility. I had used a specific format, and in my opinion it would have been courteous and consistent to follow suit.
Please add back the relevant books, or tell me what they are. You don't have to cite everything, just give me the title and I'll look up the author and ISBN. If you choose to add them yourself, please use citation templates. Thank you.
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Prohibition in the United States is the article about prohibition in the USA. The general article Prohibition contains only summaries of local prohibitions. `' mikkanarxi
The summary of your recent edit to Federal Reserve System here, I was wondering what sort of serious followups you were looking for. Umeboshi 00:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
I was just wondering why you made this questionable edit on the Patriots page. Kinda frustrated or something? Not that I'm encouraging you to do more <laughs>, but I'm just letting you know that I reverted it. It was quite funny, actually. Well, have a good and godly day.
JDitto 19:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
The duration of the block is 48 hours. Here are the reverts in question. alphachimp 21:20, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
[ [20]] Folks would like to know what on Earth you're doing. As a member of WikiProject Religion, I would as well. NinaEliza ( talk • contribs • logs) 22:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I must say that I have not been surprised (but quite encouraged) in regarding the discussion on Rjensen’s talk page. According to the comments by dozens of editors, Rjensen’s recent irrational, POV behavior on the Midwestern page simply reflects the overall nature of his edits on Wikipedia.
I am also not surprised that he recently partially protected his talk page. In editing, I typically use an IP as the vast majority of my edits are minor and relatively inconsequential. In reality, I am an established Wiki editor and I am well-versed in the policies of this encyclopedia. Your attempt to prevent my comments on your page, and thus to prevent debate, will not stand.
It does appear, as another editor suggested, that Rjensen believes that we, the illiterate masses, are incapable of making rational decisions or categorizations. In terms of culture, Rjensen believes that geographical boundaries equate to regional identity, and that government Census bureaucrats or editors of published encyclopedias are the final arbiters of cultural boundaries. Anything other than the sources that he considers valid constitute original research.
In reality, of course, cultural boundaries almost never correspond precisely to geopolitical boundaries, and definitions of cultural regions vary from source to source – quite significantly, in some cases. This matter is even more greatly complicated by the fact that culture is a living entity and can shift over time, often leaving historians and cultural researchers in disagreements as to where boundaries should be drawn. The Wikipedia project on US regions, in which I participated, faced this dilemma when attempting to create maps of the different US regions. A simple Google search of a term such as “Midwest” will reveal dozens of varying maps and descriptions, revealing the difficulty of defining a region (this problem is even greater with vaguer terms such as “Northern United States” and “Southern United States.”) In creating the regional maps, a nomenclature was decided upon in which solid-colored and striped states would be used. For a region such as the North, some states – i.e., Illinois – are accepted culturally, historically, and geopolitically with “virtually no debate” in the region, and those states became solid on the map. Other states tend to have a more divided history or culture, or may be of a transitional nature – the best examples in the US of states such as these are the Border States (Civil War) of Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware. Some sources include these states, or portions of these states, into one region, and some do otherwise. States with divided cultures such as these became striped on the map. These striped/solid maps are now used on the majority of the US regional pages, along with a caption explaining the aforementioned nomenclature. These maps took weeks to create and reflected a vigorous debate; they are truly the consensus of the Wikipedia community and have served their purposes well of reflecting varying, verifiable sources of regional identification and preventing pointless squabble regarding which sources are valid, and which are not. If you’d like to review the creation of these maps, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._regions .
Rjensen, in his infinite wisdom, decided to ignore this collaborative effort and has been attempting to single-handedly remove the regional map from the Midwestern page (as of late, another misinformed editor has joined him.) I have found that constructive debate with him is impossible because he will either 1. Simply ignore your argumentation and do as he so wishes 2. Label your argumentation as original research/POV and continue to do as he so wishes or 3. Refuse to acknowledge the nature of the debate, as he has done consistently by ignoring the nomenclature (striped=portion, solid=entirety) used on the regional maps, and continue to do as he so wishes. I have reverted his edits on at least a dozen separate occasions and provided pages upon pages of verifiable evidence to support the maps, but all in vain. His treatment of other editors that provide evidence supporting the map is the same. He’ll likely either ignore what I’ve written here, or simply erase it. In any event, it can be easily re-inserted.
I am pleased to join in with other Wiki editors in condemning Rjensen’s POV, personally motivated editing behavior that does nothing to ameliorate the content of Wikipedia articles. It should not be tolerated. -- Gator87 09:49, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
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Rjensen -- I noticed that you removed this item from the trivia section:
I thought that mentioning this in the trivia section rather than the death section would be uncontroversial enough. Also, the language here is perfectly unbiased. The statement itself is true and relevant. Parenti's conclusion is called "speculation." I'm afraid that negotiating with you has been unsuccessful and frustrating. Since you are an admin, and I am somewhat unfamiliar with protocol, can you tell me how we can settle this? I'd like someone else to take a look at the issue. I feel that the controversy circulating Taylor's death is significant and worthy of mention.
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You need to complete all of the steps on the AFD page in order for it to be considered for deletion. You need to create the subpage Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terry Stanton and then add that page to the log on AFD so that other editors can see that it hs been nominated for deletion.
Also, rather than blanking content and replacing with snide comments, as on Jo Anne Paul, I'd suggest simply removing any content that cannot be verified and leaving as neutral a stub as possible. Then nominate for deletion or tag for notability or whatever. older ≠ wiser 14:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Seems like a non-notable article, I finished up the AfD subpage for you. -- Dual Freq 15:47, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
How do you know that Jastrow was just a British propagandist, and that the Bagdad Railway had no influence in British policy leading to WWI? Bcameron54 05:01, 31 December 2006 (UTC) I do RR history and Ive read some of Jastrow and read the major books on causes like Stevenson. They downplay RR idea. Rjensen 15:27, 31 December 2006 (UTC) Other (non-anglo-US) historians do not play it down. why delete that perspective, after all, you're a historian. Bcameron54 01:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
in last 50 years or so historians are agreed the major powers SETTLED the Baghdad RR issue before the war started, therefore it was not a cause. THus by French historian--The Causes of the World War: An Historical Summary. by Camille Bloch translator Jane Soames 1935 makes no mention of the RR in 224 pages. Specific mention - "Some of the optimism should be attributed to the willingness of the German government to compose long-standing differences. ...and in June 1914 a settlement was achieved over the Baghdad railway." from The Coming of the First World War. by R. J. W. Evans (british) and Hartmut Pogge Von Strandman (German) - Oxford UP 1990. Page 166. Likewise this recent quote "Furthermore, many economic and colonial issues which had been causing friction between French, German and British governments before 1914, such as the financing of the Berlin-Baghdad railway and the future disposition of the Portuguese colonies, had been resolved by the summer of 1914." from The Origins of the First World War. by Ruth Henig - Routledge. 2002. Page Number: 39. Rjensen 23:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I think you added Edward Beecher to the List of people from Illinois. His article was red-linked and I just threw together a stub about him. Maybe if you get bored sometime you help make it into a decent article. Thanks. -- Dual Freq 01:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
yes, very good idea.
I have reinserted the fact involving Norman Thomas and his role in founding the ACLU into trivia section of the Harding article. I would point out that it is factual; and it is not too trivial, in fact its one of the lesser know facts on Thomas.
What you consider too trivial may infact prove of interest in another user and may engage them to learn about Thomas, and Harding - two very different men from the same community. Stude62 19:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for removing that hoax regarding Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. allegedly dying in England. I was fairly certain it was inaccurate, but could not find anything to prove or refute the information during a quick Internet search. -- TommyBoy 03:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for adding the requested cite for the horse quote in William Howard Taft. I guess I searched for the wrong phrase, the first one instead of the second. (Or you were just familiar with it to begin with.) Gotyear 02:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough! --
BenBurch 00:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I take it back. Stop reverting this article. You are ALREADY subject to a 3RR sanction, but I will not report it IF you stop reverting NOW. -- BenBurch 06:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for removing speculation about Abraham Lincoln in that article. I totally agree with you about your edit but someone constantly reverts it and both of us don't have time to argue with him. Do you think that we should nominate this article to AfD, since it's original research? Reply me for comment. Abelin C A usesobad 06:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Well I can't judge their merits (I reviewed one of them, and wasn't sure that it added much to the article). In any case, when a user's contributions only consists of addition of links to Miller Center materials, his username is MillerCenter, and ignores both my notification and the 5-minute block to get his attention, then logs out and continues adding links anonymously, it's hard to reach any conclusion but that he's here to promote his organization. - Mike Rosoft 19:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I opposed and still oppose this title change, but let's not pretend that Liberalism in the United States and American Liberalism mean two different things. The only issue is the best way to abbreviate the name of the country, which is a temptest in a teapot, and not worth a lengthy revert war. Rick Norwood 20:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
While I do not have any position on how this article should be named, what you have done has made it many times harder to get your way. You do not move articles by copying and pasting their contents. You move them by using the move tab up top. Now an admin has to force the move for it to work properly. You'll have to go to requested moves, add a request, and start up a poll to sort it out now. – Someguy0830 ( T | C) 21:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Rjensen, I started a request at WP:RM to move American liberalism to Liberalism in the United States and posted on the talk pages of Modern American liberalism and American conservativism asking editors to give their thoughts on the talk page for American liberalism, as the change would affect all the associated articles. I did follow the proper procedure. -- Cie lomobile talk / contribs 02:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I have reported you for violating the 3RR on the article Liberalism in the United States. You've already been blocked seven times for violating the 3RR; if you wish not to be blocked permanently, I urge you to stop engaging in edit wars. -- Cie lomobile talk / contribs 01:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hallo
Before I do something intemperate, I thought I'd be reasonable and asked why you removed my addition to the George Washington page?
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=George_Washington&diff=100597962&oldid=100595721
a charaid, Sean —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aodhdubh ( talk • contribs) 01:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC).