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News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2019).

Administrator changes Dreamy Jazz • Newslinger • Rosguill Deor • Spartaz • Xeno Angusmclellan • clpo13 • Edgar181 • Matthewedwards • NCurse

CheckUser changes Bradv • Casliber • David Fuchs • Maxim • Newyorkbrad • SoWhy • Xeno Oversight changes Bradv • Casliber • DGG • David Fuchs • Maxim • Newyorkbrad • SoWhy • Xeno Someguy1221

Guideline and policy news

• A request for comment asks whether partial blocks should be enabled on the English Wikipedia. If enabled, this functionality would allow administrators to block users from editing specific pages or namespaces, rather than the entire site.
• A proposal asks whether admins who don't use their tools for a significant period of time (e.g. five years) should have the toolset procedurally removed.
• Following a successful RfC, a whitelist is now available for users whose redirects will be autopatrolled by a bot, removing them from the new pages patrol queue. Admins can add such users to Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Redirect whitelist after a discussion following the guidelines at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Redirect whitelist.

Arbitration

• The fourth case on Palestine-Israel articles was closed. The case consolidated all previous remedies under one heading, which should make them easier to understand, apply, and enforce. In particular, the distinction between "primary articles" and "related content" has been clarified, with the former being the entire set of articles whose topic relates to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly interpreted rather than reasonably construed.
• Following the 2019 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: Beeblebrox, Bradv, Casliber, David Fuchs, DGG, KrakatoaKatie, Maxim, Newyorkbrad, SoWhy, Worm That Turned, Xeno.

Miscellaneous

• This issue marks three full years of the Admin newsletter. Thanks for reading!

21:21, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 18:40, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

You reverted me but I reverted some edits by an IP address. Thanks.-- 92.202.120.71 ( talk) 19:39, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

I noticed my mistake, sorry. They have been adding unsourced info. Thank you for helping us out, even if sometimes we can make silly mistakes :) MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) ( talk) 19:40, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes👍-- 92.202.120.71 ( talk) 19:47, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Please don't encourage users to provide their ID or personal identity documents to prove their identity- that's not what is asked for by those monitoring the email address. Usually they just want an email from an address with a personal or work domain. Possessing an ID only proves(over the internet) that one possesses a copy of an ID, not that they are the person depicted in the ID. 331dot ( talk) 14:58, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

331dot, Sorry, i'm not 100% aware of how the process works, I will remove that message. MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) ( talk) 15:12, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

No problem- and it's completely understandable why one might think that. Best wishes to you 331dot ( talk) 15:17, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

331dot, Does there happen to be actual documentation on how that works? MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) ( talk) 15:17, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

I don't know if there is a policy page about it. 331dot ( talk) 15:20, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

sorry for messing up the formatting on User talk:Antandrus. You fixed it before I could get to it. Meters ( talk) 21:36, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Meters, Not a problem. MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) ( talk) 21:38, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Moonythedwarf. After reviewing your request for "rollbacker", I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

• Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
• Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
• Rollback should never be used to edit war.
• If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
• Use common sense.

If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:Administrators' guide/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 19:36, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

ToBeFree, Thanks! I've begun working on my own anti-vandalism tool, so this will also help with integrating it into said tool. (This isn't mentioned in the request mostly because I started working on it after the request was filed.) MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) ( talk) 19:39, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks for creating an anti-vandalism tool. I strongly recommend using rollback instead of manually fetching and re-saving page content, for performance reasons. Twinkle can't do this because it is for non-rollbackers too, but in my personal opinion, all such tools except Twinkle should make use of the actual rollback function if possible. It's a clean way of reverting exactly what's needed in almost all cases. ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 23:33, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

ToBeFree, Yea, my personal solution is going to be checking user right flags, and changing the definition of whatever function handled rollback depending on if the user could use proper rollback or not MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) ( talk) 23:55, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Heh, have fun with debugging this – but if it does work properly, it is of course the most elegant solution. ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 23:57, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

ToBeFree, I imagine that debugging an anti-vandal tool is a legitimate use of my other account, User:Moonythehuman? MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) ( talk) 00:00, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Besides, debugging is the easy part. The hard part is making libavtools.js not take all to many seconds to load. MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) ( talk) 00:02, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Of course.

When it gets into the JavaScript details, I'm out. 😇 ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 00:16, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

ToBeFree, Not even a javascript detail in libavtools's case, at least for now. Real problem is that I didn't really bother with segmented loading, and am not sure how to get the cache to do it's job. By default it loads User:Moonythedwarf/libavtools/global_config.json, Special:MyPage/libavtools/config.json and all 6 JSON files that the global config specifies to. I'll have to change things so that not everything is always loaded, as, for example, filters aren't needed on the config screen.. Sorry if that's a tad wordy, but it should summarize why it takes so long. MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) ( talk) 00:20, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

avtools and handyman combined now load in under half a second \o/ MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) ( talk) 01:27, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Moonythedwarf,

Southwestern Illinois College is a not for profit college that is also listed in IPEDS. We are not creating any promotional products merely trying to fix the entry which information is pulled from wiki to Facebook. Our Facebook card is not showing the proper page from our wiki page. I've talked to their help desk and they said the issue is Wikipedia and after researching we need to have the link in the top paragraph in order for Facebook to pull the proper information. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.40.195.124 ( talk) 20:11, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

I am afraid I am going to direct the issue right back to facebook/google. This is on them. Their cards are showing up as intended, and they are outside our control. Wikipedia has it's rules and policies, and specifically, your edits were against our style guide. They otherwise seem alright, but the fact you previously mentioned SEO worries me. -- MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) ( talk) 20:14, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

(summoned by AIV) Due to how Open Graph embeds work on Facebook, I'm pretty sure the Wikipedia article is scraped as plain text, so links in the article will not show up in the embed box. Enterprisey ( talk!) 20:24, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

19:41, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Moonythedwarf! I've been running into you while patrolling logs and recent changes and I happened to notice that you don't have the pending changes reviewer user rights. I hope you don't mind, but I went through your contributions and I noticed that you're quite active in recent changes patrolling and that you consistently view and undo vandalism and bad faith disruption. I believe that the pending changes reviewer rights would be useful for you to have and that you'd make good use of the tool. Instead of having you formally request the pending changes reviewer right at WP:PERM, I went ahead and just gave it to you. This user right allows you to review edits that are pending approval on pages currently under pending changes protection and either accept the edits to make them viewable by the general public, or decline and revert them.

Keep these things in mind regarding the tool or when you're reviewing any pending changes:

• A list of articles with pending edits awaiting review can be viewed at Special:PendingChanges.
• A list of the articles currently under pending changes protection can be viewed at Special:StablePages.
• Being granted and having these rights does not grant you any additional "status" on Wikipedia, nor does it change how Wikipedia policies apply to you (obviously).
• You'll generally want to accept any pending changes that appear to be legitimate edits and are not blatant vandalism or disruption, and reject edits that are problematic or that you wouldn't accept yourself.
• Never accept any pending changes that contain obvious and clear vandalism, blatant neutral point of view issues, copyright violations, or BLP violations.

Useful guidelines and pages for you to read:

• Wikipedia:Reviewing pending changes, the guideline and tutorial on using the rights and reviewing pending changes.
• Wikipedia:Pending changes, a summary of pending changes protection, the pending changes user right, and how it applies.
• Wikipedia:Protection policy#Pending changes protection, the policy section on pending changes protection and its appropriate application and use by administrators.

I'm sure you'll do fine with the reviewer rights - it's a pretty straight-forward tool and it doesn't drastically change the interface that you're used to already. Nonetheless, please don't hesitate to leave me a message on my user talk page if you run into any questions, get stuck anywhere, or if you're not sure if you should accept or revert pending changes to a page, and I'll be more than be happy to help you. If you no longer want the pending changes reviewer rights, let me know and I'll be happy to remove it for you. Thank you for helping to patrol recent changes and keep Wikipedia free of disruption and vandalism - it's a very thankless job to perform and I want you to know that it doesn't go unnoticed and that I appreciate it very much. Happy editing! :-D ~Oshwah~ ^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:30, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Oshwah, Thanks a ton, i'll make good use of it as soon as I can (Maybe i'll go check the backlog tomorrow.) MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) ( talk) 09:32, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

No problem! Keep up the excellent work! :-D ~Oshwah~ ^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:32, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I got a warning on my talk page advising me that my account, and another user's, look like sock puppets. I was advised by a third party who is familiar with both of our posting histories to leave you a request here to kindly review the content of the accounts. We are not the same person and have been debating each other here (and elsewhere) at length. Perhaps this has something to do with the times of day that each of us makes edits here? In any case, please advise, and thank you. Krosero ( talk) 18:16, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Krosero, Hello!

I will re-review the contribution histories of you both, as, as far as I can tell, I made the terrible mistake of making that judgement at 3AM. Give me a bit. moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 18:20, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Hey can you help me , regarding the sources that i have attached is enough for review ?

Insight College festival For the Page title - https://nmcollege.in/insight/

Heading - https://nminsight.in/

And all the other sources comes tge same website link .

Let me know if i need to some more sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laveshpurswani ( talk • contribs) 11:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

You need a lot more sources. Those are both primary sources, which are not acceptable to establish an article's notability, and are usually not acceptable for much else either. I recommend reading our page on reliable sources for information on what's acceptable, Laveshpurswani. -- moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 11:42, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Laveshpurswani, I am sorry, but it appears the event is not notable. All the sourcing in the world will not make it notable. Please do not replace the contents of my userpage. moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 15:04, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Moonythedwarf,

I am actually not clar weah I made a mistake while creating my page is there a way for me to change my username or should I just start all over.

Thanks Clar Weah ( talk) 17:18, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Clar Weah, make a request at Wikipedia:Changing_username. moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 17:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

...for your attention to accepting constructive edits at the Mitragyna speciosa article. Appreciate all such thoughtful work. More waiting if you have the chance. (None redactive, or as big as the earlier ones.) Cheers. 2601:246:C700:19D:9CD6:853A:9F2C:D0D7 ( talk) 21:10, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Not a problem. I have the Pending Changes Reviewer right for a reason. Thanks for your constructive edits. -- moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 21:15, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks also for your outreach at the talk page for this IP. I am a former registered editor that is retired, after bad experiences here (including being "outed" in real world, at the university where I taught and promoted WP, by an unscrupulous young WP editor). So, despite many thousands of edits, I prefer now to extend trust to just a few here. Cheers, and thanks again for your efforts and kind encouragement. I cannot ever imagine needing to resort to a trout.  ; ) 2601:246:C700:19D:9CD6:853A:9F2C:D0D7 ( talk) 21:41, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

That's a major shame. I wish you luck with your future endeavors. -- moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 22:02, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

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