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Please feel free to edit/delete any of my content. I agree a complete edit of the page would certainly help. StudentOfMusic ( talk) 17:51, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
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Please take a few moments to read and review Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you. Alexbrn ( talk) 18:32, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
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- Please keep the mission of Wikipedia in mind. We provide the public with accepted knowledge, working in a community.
- We do that, by finding high quality secondary sources and summarizing what they say, giving WP:WEIGHT as they do. Please do not try to build content by synthesizing content based on primary sources. (for the difference between primary and secondary sources, see WP:MEDDEF)
- Please use high-quality, recent, secondary sources for medical content (see WP:MEDRS). High-quality sources include review articles (which are not the same as peer-reviewed), position statements from nationally and internationally recognized bodies (like CDC, WHO, FDA), and major medical textbooks. Lower-quality sources are typically removed. Please be aware that predatory publishers exist - check the publishers of articles (especially open source articles) at Beall's list.
- The ordering of sections typically follows the instructions at WP:MEDMOS. The section above the table of contents is called the WP:LEAD. It summarizes the body. Do not add anything to the lead, that is not in the body. Style is covered in MEDMOS as well; we avoid the word "patient" for example.
- More generally see WP:MEDHOW
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Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 23:11, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
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Anyone can edit Wikipedia. I see that you are asking other users for permission to edit. Please, be bold and edit. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:03, 12 July 2017 (UTC) |
I've undone your edits to Neurologic music therapy. Despite what User:Bluerasberry said above, it is not appropriate for a WP:COI editor to make massive changes to an article such as you did. The appropriate thing to do is to discuss your proposed changes on the article's talk page. And please do so in small chunks, or you run the risk of having your proposed changes rejected even though some of them may be acceptable. For instance, you should not have removed the merge proposal, and your very first line violated WP:MOS. Meters ( talk) 23:22, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- And the page is not "under the NMT Advisory Council". See WP:OWN. Meters ( talk) 23:26, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. Since it is very first time to edit the page, I was not clear in terms of the policy for changes. With the program director of the Academy for NMT, Dr. Corene Thaut, I am trying to edit the all the information of the NMT since there are lot of missing and wrong information. I have already sent the message to contributors. Should I post the edited page that I want to change, and discuss in Talk pages before I upload? Please inform me the best way that I can change. Thank you so much! Kyurim1 ( talk) 23:50, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- There will be some matters of opinion here. I am less concerned about any WP:Conflict of interest because I do not immediately see any organization, individual, or product being endorsed or promoted. Wikipedia welcomes expert organizations to develop Wikipedia articles in their field of expertise.
- The biggest problem that I see with the edits is that they happened all at once. It is not ideal, but software limitations of Wikipedia make it difficult to discuss portions of changes. Instead, Wikipedia's software makes discussion easier when instead of large edits, an editor makes a series of small edits. Then, if someone has criticism, the concerned parties can single that edit out for discussion.
- Please note also that typically, Wikipedia articles should have a citation after every sentence. The article is currently in poor shape without citations. Any statement without a citation can be removed immediately by anyone who makes a statement of doubt. If possible, provide citations for whatever you contribute. I appreciate your interest in the article. Thanks
Kyurim1 for the review and advancing the conversation.
Blue Rasberry
(talk) 00:46, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- @ Bluerasberry: I'm not suggesting any bad faith editing here. Kyurim1 is trying to do things properly but does not appear to understand how to go about this yet, and seems not have read the guidelines already suggested. He or she had already been pointed to WP:COI, WP:DISCLOSE, WP:PAID, WP:SPAM, and the issue of reliable sources. He or she had been asked to request edits rather than making them directly, and had been told not to copy material directly. None of these concerns were properly handled when the edit was made.
- There is a definite COI issue here. The user is editing "On the behalf of the Academy of Neurologic Music Therapy". So, this is not just COI by someone with knowledge of the area, but probably falls under WP:PAID without proper disclosure as well.
- This article is about Neurologic music therapy in general, not about the Academy of Neurologic Music Therapy or its particular application of Neurologic Music Therapy. Unless the Institute happens to be the only group in the world working in this area, I'm concerned about WP:OWN (particularly after the comment "under the NMT Advisory Council" and edits such as "has successfully completed advanced training in NMT through the Academy of Neurologic Music Therapy") and article hijacking. Statements such as "For more information regarding Neurologic Music Therapy (NMT) or training in NMT, please visit: https://nmtacademy.co/" are definitely promotional.
- Edits such as "As an NMT, make sure you clearly understand the role rhythm has in changing brain function. Keep this paramount in your mind as you treat your clients." are not appropriate. Wikipedia is written to inform general readers, not provide instructions to practitioners. I strongly suspect that that this section and many other are WP:COPVIO. Meters ( talk) 04:52, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Hello Kyurim1, and welcome to Wikipedia. All or some of your addition(s) to
Neurologic music therapy have been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material without evidence of
permission from the copyright holder. While we appreciate your contributing to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from your sources to avoid copyright or plagiarism issues here.
- You can only copy/translate a small amount of a source, and you must mark what you take as a direct quotation with double quotation marks (") and cite the source using an inline citation. You can read about this at Wikipedia:Non-free content in the sections on "text". See also Help:Referencing for beginners, for how to cite sources here.
- Aside from limited quotation, you must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. Following the source's words too closely can create copyright problems, so it is not permitted here; see Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. (There is a college-level introduction to paraphrase, with examples, hosted by the Online Writing Lab of Purdue.) Even when using your own words, you are still, however, asked to cite your sources to verify information and to demonstrate that the content is not original research.
- Our primary policy on using copyrighted content is Wikipedia:Copyrights. You may also want to review Wikipedia:Copy-paste.
- If you own the copyright to the source you want to copy or are a designated agent, you may be able to license that text so that we can publish it here. However, there are steps that must be taken to verify that license before you do. See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials.
- In very rare cases (that is, for sources that are public domain or compatibly licensed), it may be possible to include greater portions of a source text. However, please seek help at the help desk before adding such content to the article. 99.9% of sources may not be added in this way, so it is necessary to seek confirmation first. If you do confirm that a source is public domain or compatibly licensed, you will still need to provide full attribution; see Wikipedia:Plagiarism for the steps you need to follow.
- Also note that Wikipedia articles may not be copied or translated without attribution. If you want to copy or translate from another Wikipedia project or article, you can, but please follow the steps in Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia.
It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. — Diannaa 🍁 ( talk) 00:53, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
Hello and
welcome to Wikipedia. When you add content to
talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion (but never when editing articles), please be sure to
sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either:
- Add four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment; or
- With the cursor positioned at the end of your comment, click on the signature button (
or
) located above the edit window.
This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is necessary to allow other editors to easily see who wrote what and when.
Thank you. -- SineBot ( talk) 17:42, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Please feel free to edit/delete any of my content. I agree a complete edit of the page would certainly help. StudentOfMusic ( talk) 17:51, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Hello, Kyurim1. We
welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places, or things
you have written about in the article
Neurologic music therapy, you may have a
conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic, and it is important when editing Wikipedia articles that such connections be completely transparent. See the
conflict of interest guideline and
FAQ for organizations for more information. In particular, we ask that you please:
- avoid editing or creating articles related to you and your family, friends, school, company, club, or organization, as well as any competing companies' projects or products;
- instead, you are encouraged to propose changes on the Talk pages of affected article(s) (see the {{ request edit}} template);
- when discussing affected articles, disclose your COI (see WP:DISCLOSE);
- avoid linking to the Wikipedia article or to the website of your organization in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
- exercise great caution so that you do not violate Wikipedia's content policies.
In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).
Please take a few moments to read and review Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you. Alexbrn ( talk) 18:32, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia! We have compiled some guidance for new healthcare editors:
- Please keep the mission of Wikipedia in mind. We provide the public with accepted knowledge, working in a community.
- We do that, by finding high quality secondary sources and summarizing what they say, giving WP:WEIGHT as they do. Please do not try to build content by synthesizing content based on primary sources. (for the difference between primary and secondary sources, see WP:MEDDEF)
- Please use high-quality, recent, secondary sources for medical content (see WP:MEDRS). High-quality sources include review articles (which are not the same as peer-reviewed), position statements from nationally and internationally recognized bodies (like CDC, WHO, FDA), and major medical textbooks. Lower-quality sources are typically removed. Please be aware that predatory publishers exist - check the publishers of articles (especially open source articles) at Beall's list.
- The ordering of sections typically follows the instructions at WP:MEDMOS. The section above the table of contents is called the WP:LEAD. It summarizes the body. Do not add anything to the lead, that is not in the body. Style is covered in MEDMOS as well; we avoid the word "patient" for example.
- More generally see WP:MEDHOW
- Reference tags generally go after punctuation, not before; there is no preceding space.
- We use very few capital letters and very little bolding. Only the first word of a heading is usually capitalized.
- Common terms are not usually wikilinked; nor are years, dates, or names of countries and major cities.
- Do not use URLs from your university library's internal net: the rest of the world cannot see them.
- Please include page numbers when referencing a book or long journal article.
- Please format references consistently within an article and be sure to cite the PMID for journal articles and ISBN for books; see WP:MEDHOW.
- Never copy and paste from sources; we run detection software on new edits.
- Think carefully before working on featured articles (these have a gold star at top right). It is often hard to improve featured articles.
- Talk to us! Wikipedia works by collaboration at articles and user talkpages.
Once again, welcome, and thank you for joining us! Please share these guidelines with other new editors.
– the WikiProject Medicine team
Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 23:11, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
|
|
Anyone can edit Wikipedia. I see that you are asking other users for permission to edit. Please, be bold and edit. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:03, 12 July 2017 (UTC) |
I've undone your edits to Neurologic music therapy. Despite what User:Bluerasberry said above, it is not appropriate for a WP:COI editor to make massive changes to an article such as you did. The appropriate thing to do is to discuss your proposed changes on the article's talk page. And please do so in small chunks, or you run the risk of having your proposed changes rejected even though some of them may be acceptable. For instance, you should not have removed the merge proposal, and your very first line violated WP:MOS. Meters ( talk) 23:22, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- And the page is not "under the NMT Advisory Council". See WP:OWN. Meters ( talk) 23:26, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. Since it is very first time to edit the page, I was not clear in terms of the policy for changes. With the program director of the Academy for NMT, Dr. Corene Thaut, I am trying to edit the all the information of the NMT since there are lot of missing and wrong information. I have already sent the message to contributors. Should I post the edited page that I want to change, and discuss in Talk pages before I upload? Please inform me the best way that I can change. Thank you so much! Kyurim1 ( talk) 23:50, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
- There will be some matters of opinion here. I am less concerned about any WP:Conflict of interest because I do not immediately see any organization, individual, or product being endorsed or promoted. Wikipedia welcomes expert organizations to develop Wikipedia articles in their field of expertise.
- The biggest problem that I see with the edits is that they happened all at once. It is not ideal, but software limitations of Wikipedia make it difficult to discuss portions of changes. Instead, Wikipedia's software makes discussion easier when instead of large edits, an editor makes a series of small edits. Then, if someone has criticism, the concerned parties can single that edit out for discussion.
- Please note also that typically, Wikipedia articles should have a citation after every sentence. The article is currently in poor shape without citations. Any statement without a citation can be removed immediately by anyone who makes a statement of doubt. If possible, provide citations for whatever you contribute. I appreciate your interest in the article. Thanks
Kyurim1 for the review and advancing the conversation.
Blue Rasberry
(talk) 00:46, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
- @ Bluerasberry: I'm not suggesting any bad faith editing here. Kyurim1 is trying to do things properly but does not appear to understand how to go about this yet, and seems not have read the guidelines already suggested. He or she had already been pointed to WP:COI, WP:DISCLOSE, WP:PAID, WP:SPAM, and the issue of reliable sources. He or she had been asked to request edits rather than making them directly, and had been told not to copy material directly. None of these concerns were properly handled when the edit was made.
- There is a definite COI issue here. The user is editing "On the behalf of the Academy of Neurologic Music Therapy". So, this is not just COI by someone with knowledge of the area, but probably falls under WP:PAID without proper disclosure as well.
- This article is about Neurologic music therapy in general, not about the Academy of Neurologic Music Therapy or its particular application of Neurologic Music Therapy. Unless the Institute happens to be the only group in the world working in this area, I'm concerned about WP:OWN (particularly after the comment "under the NMT Advisory Council" and edits such as "has successfully completed advanced training in NMT through the Academy of Neurologic Music Therapy") and article hijacking. Statements such as "For more information regarding Neurologic Music Therapy (NMT) or training in NMT, please visit: https://nmtacademy.co/" are definitely promotional.
- Edits such as "As an NMT, make sure you clearly understand the role rhythm has in changing brain function. Keep this paramount in your mind as you treat your clients." are not appropriate. Wikipedia is written to inform general readers, not provide instructions to practitioners. I strongly suspect that that this section and many other are WP:COPVIO. Meters ( talk) 04:52, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Hello Kyurim1, and welcome to Wikipedia. All or some of your addition(s) to
Neurologic music therapy have been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material without evidence of
permission from the copyright holder. While we appreciate your contributing to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from your sources to avoid copyright or plagiarism issues here.
- You can only copy/translate a small amount of a source, and you must mark what you take as a direct quotation with double quotation marks (") and cite the source using an inline citation. You can read about this at Wikipedia:Non-free content in the sections on "text". See also Help:Referencing for beginners, for how to cite sources here.
- Aside from limited quotation, you must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. Following the source's words too closely can create copyright problems, so it is not permitted here; see Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. (There is a college-level introduction to paraphrase, with examples, hosted by the Online Writing Lab of Purdue.) Even when using your own words, you are still, however, asked to cite your sources to verify information and to demonstrate that the content is not original research.
- Our primary policy on using copyrighted content is Wikipedia:Copyrights. You may also want to review Wikipedia:Copy-paste.
- If you own the copyright to the source you want to copy or are a designated agent, you may be able to license that text so that we can publish it here. However, there are steps that must be taken to verify that license before you do. See Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials.
- In very rare cases (that is, for sources that are public domain or compatibly licensed), it may be possible to include greater portions of a source text. However, please seek help at the help desk before adding such content to the article. 99.9% of sources may not be added in this way, so it is necessary to seek confirmation first. If you do confirm that a source is public domain or compatibly licensed, you will still need to provide full attribution; see Wikipedia:Plagiarism for the steps you need to follow.
- Also note that Wikipedia articles may not be copied or translated without attribution. If you want to copy or translate from another Wikipedia project or article, you can, but please follow the steps in Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia.
It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. — Diannaa 🍁 ( talk) 00:53, 23 August 2017 (UTC)