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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! France3470 (talk) 19:15, 14 May 2012 (UTC) reply

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Yyou can paste it to talk:Observable universe/workpage , where work usually goes on Wikipedia articles (it will be easier to maintain attribution as well, if you post it there) . At the very start of the page, please add:

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I reverted your additions to the Observable universe article, because the information was not presented in an encyclopedic manner. Perhaps, if you listed your facts, sources and issues with the article as it stands, I can incorporate them for you. Serendi ^pod ous 20:15, 4 July 2013 (UTC) reply

Why change Matter Content and Mass?

• A. Matter Content has the following issues/inconsistencies:
  • 1. In method 1, the two methods are calculating mass which is the same objective as the Mass section. Thus is redundant and confusing. Once mass is estimated the number of atoms is straightforward.
  • 2. In method 1, the value of the Hubble constant and the values ordinary matter are outdated (WAMP rather than ESA).
  • 3. In method 2, the mass of an average star is wrong, two times too large.
  • 4. In method 2, the reference to number of galaxies is outdated by NASA's current estimates.
• B. Mass has the following issues/inconsistencies:
  • 1. Introduction is confusing because of mass energy reference and "space time curvature' which does not belong in section.
  • 2. Critical density section is based on outdated values (WAMP rather than ESA).
    • The reference on the fraction of stars is outdated, the best estimate in the Cosmic Energy Inventory article.
    • Using both the visible and observable volumes is confusing and not relevant.
    • The section uses results from method 1 which is duplication.
  • 3. The Stellar density section uses an obscure reference on density rather than the NASA recent references. It does not correct for the Hubble distance (comoving radius). It also uses the wrong mass for an average star and outdated values (WAMP rather than ESA).
  • 4. The Steady-state section uses an outdated value for Hubble constant and does not correct for a comoving radius.

The revised version, corrects all these inconsistencies. Appreciate your thoughts. Jim Johnson 02:18, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

First I should say, please forgive any obvious misapprehensions. I am not a cosmologist or even a scientist. With that out of the way:

A1. I do not see the doubling up as redundant; rather it shows the same conclusion through multiple lines of evidence

A2: Provide a source, and it can be reworked.

A3: First of all, a factor of two is not a very large difference in astronomical terms. Secondly, it depends how you define "average" (obviously, the "average mass" of a star listed in the article is a solar mass, and the Sun is middle-sized, even if it is relatively rare in stellar terms). Finally, the information is sourced. You need to provide your own source to counter it.

A4: Again, if you have a source, list it.

B1: Why? It is raising important caveats that the mass of the universe should include its energy, and that energy is involved in the curvature of spacetime. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

B2: Again, provide a source and it can be included. I'm not sure what you mean by "visible and observable volumes". Surely those are the same? And it isn't duplication if you are trying to determine a separate result.

B3: again these can be fixed using the appropriate sources, rather than completely rewriting the section

B4: Since the steady-state theory is debunked anyway, does it really matter if it doesn't use up to date figures? Personally I don't think it needs to be in the article. Serendi ^pod ous 07:11, 6 July 2013 (UTC) reply

I appreciate your detail review of my proposal. I am new to the process and format of updating Wikipedia. I know we can find a mutually agreeable improved revision. Address your specific comments:

A1. "I do not see the doubling up as redundant; rather it shows the same conclusion through multiple lines of evidence."

The point is having a focused objective for the first section - an estimate of the number of atoms. Why try to verify the amount of mass in two sections?

A2. All updated sources were in the revision:" 43. ^Paul Davies , The Goldilocks Enigma (First Mariner books, New York, 2006), pp. 43. 44. ^ Michio Kaku, Parallel Worlds (Anchor Books, New York,2006), pp.385. 45. ^ Bernard F. Schutz (2003). Gravity from the ground up. Cambridge University Press. pp. 361–. ISBN  978-0-521-45506-0. Retrieved 1 May 2011. 46. ^ "Astronomers count the stars". BBC News. July 22, 2003. Retrieved 2006-07-18. 47. ^ "trillions-of-earths-could-be-orbiting-300-sextillion-stars" 48. ^ van Dokkum, Pieter G.; Charlie Conroy (2010). "A substantial population of low-mass stars in luminous elliptical galaxies". Nature 468 (7326): 940–942. arXiv:1009.5992. Bibcode:2010Natur.468..940V. doi:10.1038/nature09578. PMID  21124316. 49. ^ "How many stars?" 50. ^ NASA, Hubble News Release STSci - 2004-7. 51. ^ James R Johnson, Comprehending the Cosmos, a Macro view of the Universe, 2nd Edition, April 2013, pp. 36, ISBN  1477649697. 52. ^ NASA, Hubble News Release STSci - 20012-37. 53. ^ James R Johnson, Comprehending the Cosmos, a Macro view of the Universe, 2nd Edition, April 2013, pp. 34, ISBN  1477649697. 54. ^ Fukugita, Masataka, Peebles, P. J. E., "The Cosmic Energy Inventory", Astro Physics Review 18 Aug 2004. 55. ^ Helge Kragh (1999-02-22). Cosmology and Controversy: The Historical Development of Two Theories of the Universe. Princeton University Press. p. 212, Chapter 5. ISBN  0-691-00546-X. 56. Valevx,Dimitar, Estimation of the total mass and energy of the universe, arXiv:1004.1035v [physics. gen-ph] 7 Apr 2010, pp. 4."

A3. A factor of two may not be too significant but it is wrong! See reference list.

A4. See ref.

B1." Why? It is raising important caveats that the mass of the universe should include its energy, and that energy is involved in the curvature of spacetime. Seems pretty straightforward to me."

Although true, it is in another Wikipedia section -Energy and Mass.

B2. "Again, provide a source and it can be included".

See ref. " I'm not sure what you mean by "visible and observable volumes". Surely those are the same? And it isn't duplication if you are trying to determine a separate result" This is exactly my point, the original uses both which is unnecessary since they are so close. I use the Wikipedia comoving radius for observable universe.

B4. " Since the steady-state theory is debunked anyway, does it really matter if it doesn't use up to date figures? Personally I don't think it needs to be in the article "

Although the Steady-state theory is false, the equation for mass is not. See my ref. In summary, I think my revision is much improved over the current and hope you agree. I can easily remove the rhetorical questions if they are not appropriate. Again, thanks for the feedback. Jim Johnson 15:10, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Your sources are primarily popular science books and news releases. On Wikipedia, scientific articles are preferred. Serendi ^pod ous 21:02, 6 July 2013 (UTC) reply

Are you trying to help or be an obstacle? I reused 6 of the original references although 2 were "news" and I debated using them.

The eight added were: 1 from Astro-physics journal, 2 books from Physicist (one, Paul Davies, is used in the previous section!), 2 NASA Releases which are as reliable as anything, 1 arXiv article, and 2 from my recent book.

If you are not going to acknowledge my logic and give this a chance , can you refer this to another editor? Jim Johnson 21:33, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

You want to radically redraft an already established article on a very important topic. So yes, my job right now is to slow you down. These things take time. I would prefer it if I was not currently the only one dealing with this, because I'm not interested in being "the Jerk". So I think I'm going to move this conversation to the article's talk page. Serendi ^pod ous 05:15, 7 July 2013 (UTC) reply

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1. Thanks for responding. You recommend a logical approach. I previously missed Someguy1221's response on the Notice board but have now responded.Jim Johnson 15:30, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

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Please look at Multiverse Talk page to see if it is correct. If not could you correct. Thanks,Jim Johnson Jim Johnson 19:11, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

This was not correct. However it looks like Jytdog is going to correct and propose one so I shall wait and see if further assistance is needed on that. -- Dane ^talk 04:38, 5 October 2017 (UTC) reply