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~Oshwah~ ^{(talk) (contribs)} 04:44, 1 February 2024 (UTC) reply

Hi Jeorgia!

I really liked the start to your article on George John Seaton. I thought you did a good job of synthesizing information from your sources and presenting it in a non-biased way. Most of my comments were related to small clarity issues or formatting (sorry if it sounds nitpicky!!). I know you still have some content to add, so I didn't want to focus on any gaps in information there, I know you have a good understanding of your topic!

Overall, it looks really good!

Margo.C.45 ( talk) 16:46, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply

The article was well written and provides a lot of depth on the material that I was able to understand the history of the outcast. The sources are reliable and reflect the available literature on the outcast. The only thing I would say is that my comments were related to the format (such as adding images, links, and the references page). Overall, the article was effective and well structured. Sam.Herrera234 ( talk) 17:19, 6 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Hello, Jeorgiaobrien, and welcome to Wikipedia! My name is Brianda and I work with Wiki Education; I help support students who are editing as part of a class assignment.

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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Brianda (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 21:42, 13 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Thanks for your contributions to George John Seaton. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back.   Velella   ^{Velella Talk}   12:00, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Hi,

I have been working on this page for several weeks as part of a college class project. I currently have seven sources listed for my article. How many more sources do I need in order for it to be considered credible? George John Seaton is widely unknown and very little has been published about him. For this reason, my sources have been pulled from Washington University in St. Louis library and the university archives.

As part of my class grade, this article should go live this week. Please let me know what requirements are missing in order to get it back up.

Jeorgia O'Brien Jeorgiaobrien ( talk) 15:03, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Please read WP:GNG. What is required are multiple, independent and reliable sources that discuss the subject of the article. Wordpress and other do-it-yourself web sites don't count nor do self published books nor articles where there is no formal review process or editorial oversight. At present the article has no references at all, just a reading list at the end. If those are reliable and indepedent then theye can be used as in line references (see WP:REF). However the book "Isle of the Dammed" is not useable as it is written by the subject. I have tried in vain to find relevant text in the other documents listed but nothing appears relevant except to provide background into the country and the conditions in prison. If this analysis is correct , then notability rests on a self penned book which Wikipedia will not accept. In addition, and by your own admission in the opening paragraphs, this does appear to be original research which is also deprecated on Wikipedia. I am sorry if you have spend months on this, but at present it looks very unlikely that this will be accepted as a Wikipedia article. However, if you can find independednt and reliable sources discussing Seaton, then that would be great. Regards   Velella   ^{Velella Talk}   15:59, 27 March 2024 (UTC) reply

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article George John Seaton is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George John Seaton until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

  Velella   ^{Velella Talk}   15:46, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply

I am writing this here, rather than on the article talk page or the AfD page because I certainly don't want to make things any worse for you as a student Wikipedian. I appreciate that you have a done a great deal of work on your article, even though the first version appeared to have been written by a ChatBot, it wasn't was it?

I would hate for you to loose grades over this, but you are still not fixing the issues that need fixing.

It is at articles for deltion because it lacks notability. In this case it lacks several reliable sources discussing the subject. So discussions about his books don't count. They must be serious discussions about the topic of the article. Much of your version is a précis of the book contents, with excursions into Papillion etc.

To avoid the risk of your article being deleted you must find sources that discuss Seaton, not his books, but himself, the man Seaton. Those sources must be included in the text in relevant places. If any of your sources already do that, then include quotes from the source in the reference, or post the quotes on the tak page as evidence.

Having done that you must !Vote at the AfD saying something along the lines of: * Keep - New sources demonstrating notability and compliance with [[WP:GNG]] have now been added ~~~~

With luck that will be enough, but it does all depend on finding the sources.

I would also strongly advise consulting with you Wiki tutors and sharing everything, including this message, with them. Regards   Velella   ^{Velella Talk}   16:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Thank you for the helpful notes in order achieving notability. I am working with my professor to get the article up to date with anything regulation issues. No, the first draft was not written by a chat bot, but it was completely written by me. The class I am taking in relation to this article is an elective. My actual major is mechanical engineering which may make me sound a bit stiff at times. However, I would never try to cheat in my courses or on a publication for the public. In fact, I do have experience with freelance writing, and I have published a children's book, We Are All Scientist. Not that this changes anything for my article, but I am just reassuring you that I would not have written a paper by a chatbot.

As for the sources I am using, I am cutting any use of direct quotes from Seaton's book and any other issues that may arise with his book. I have added a section at the end of the article just explaining that he did write a book and what it was about. Because this is an article about Seaton's life, I feel that it is crucial to acknowledge this achievement. In my sources, I have a few articles that speak directly of Seaton. These include Negros with Slaves by Jet Magazine, Words of the Week by Jet Magazine, Space in the Tropics by Peter Redfield (University of California Press), and Empire of the Underworld (Harvard University Press). I will continue to try to track down more sources about Seaton but due to his extremely limited records in history the search is very limited. I will also mention that my class is ending in two weeks, so I am currently on a time crunch.

Just to note, I am in touch with serval Wikipedia mentors on the subject to allow the article to pass for publishing.

Thanks, Jeorgiaobrien ( talk) 16:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC) reply